[Closed] Anyone running SRAM XX1 yet?

not riden with it yet bt riden with shimano top xtr shadow plus with the clutch switch i just loved it have a look at xtr its a bit cheaper aswel on some sites
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had a go on one of the new 2014 spesh enduro's....

looks effing awful with that big cassette but looked ok on the 29'ers....mech was massive as well..

To ride it felt no different to a normal set up, but it needed a full (up an bottom) chain guide for our trails in Molini, Italy, chain came off even with a top guide..

If the gear ratios on the cassette could be lower and thus a shortcage mech then it would be better......but i will stick with my 36/33 in the marntime as there is nothing my way I cant get up.

2014, already!?

Surprised you had problems with the chain coming off, considering folk have been racing enduros with a top only guide, and the consensus was that was predominantly as a peace of mind exercise.

not riden with it yet bt riden with shimano top xtr shadow plus with the clutch switch i just loved it have a look at xtr its a bit cheaper aswel on some sites

Shame it's an entirely different set up!

Interesting to read something completely non-fawning though nasher 😆

I'd love to give XX1 a proper whirl where I live but I'm not going to pay £1200 until it has some history and real world reviewage.

Hell... I'm to stingy to go 10 speed when my old 9 speed stuff is still working just fine 😉

Completely lost interested in XX1 after hearing the Sram guy say that you "might" get away without using a chainguide in "some" situations.

Plenty of riders using it at the Olympic XC race with no guide. Obviously nowhere near as hardcore as the stuff people ride here, but I didn't see a dropped chain.

Likewise Jerome Clementz has won some notable enduros without one (but as above does still use one at times).

I'm certainly interested to try it, my concern is more whether it still works once the ring gets a bit worn - if nasher tried a demo bike perhaps that's the answer.

although I love the idea, getting tied into £300 cassettes puts me off.
ok for dry races but until they bring out an everyday option I'll have to wait

I also had a quick pootle on it on a Specialized 29er.

Still don't like SRAM shifters, and rear cassette didn't look quite so rediculous on a 29er, although it made the 32T front ring look silly instead.

Guy who was riding it said it didn't really work without a chainguide, mupltiple lost chains.

Like the idea, would prefer it with something compatable with a normal freehub & made by Shimano however. Don't think it seems to offer enough of a benefit (if any?) over 1x10 to change everything over 🙂

Aye, when I ran XX I used to cut short muddy rides not because it wasn't fun, but because I couldn't afford a new transmission!

Sure a cheaper version will follow. I doubt it, but as they've not patented the design you [i]could [/i]see a Shimano version.

Not ridden it, but did see it up close at Finale.

Looks very, very nice - BUT how much benefit does it bring to the normal (i.e. not Jerome Clementz) enduro racer?

I raced all season on Truvativ Descendants with a 36t ring and 11-36 cassette. First half of the season was X9 short cage mech & X9 shifter, second half was Zee clutch mech and XT iSpec shifter.

For the money and based on my personal experiences this season, I would recommend having a 34 and 36 tooth chainring available for race days, an 11-36 10 speed cassette and either a Saint or Zee rear mech to have the advantage of the clutch (better than the SRAM clutch IMO) and also the fact that the Shadow mech is more tucked out of the way (I saw more SRAM mechs ripped off than Shimano this season - I can only conclude this is down to them sticking out more).

Spend the money you save on some sessions with a good trainer and you'll see a lot more overall benefit.

Just my views of course........

Only seen what has been the mee-ja, so no really world experience. IMO it's one of those things that I'm not going to sell a kidney for (I'd need to..), nor will I be overly bothered when the inevitable cheap(er) version comes out but if I was in the market for a brand new bike, it'd be a feature that might sway me.

With the bike press carping on and on about unsprung weight over the years, it is interesting to see ever-expanding rear cassettes. How does hub+new derailleur+massive cassette compare in weight to an alfine/rohloff hub? (plus or minus a tensioner)

Vastly lighter. The cassette is still XTR weight.

On a race bike Rohloff=boat anchor.

Zoiks, just had a google of it all: circa 1kg lighter than latest alfine. 😯 I wonder how much weight they can keep off the 260g cassette when they make it more affordable?

Still, if you chose alfine over xx1, after the race season we have had you would have £400 more in your pocket, and you'd be carrying about 300g less in mud and at the end of each race. 😆

The only addition XX1 has over any other clutch mech is that it has a different profile to the teeth on the chainring.......do people really think thats enough to keep you chain on compared to a bog standard chainring?

In most situations a top guide will be fine...but as I found out the chain still came off.

you can of course use the XX1 cranks with a 10spd chain?

Well it seems so, as that's the USP. It certainly seems to work on 'virgin' groupsets, it's how quickly that wears off I'd be interested in.

Still, if you chose alfine over xx1, after the race season we have had you would have £400 more in your pocket, and you'd be carrying about 300g less in mud and at the end of each race.

Or choose XT, save the money over XX1 and still save weight over an Alfine... Hub gears have a place. That place is not on a race bike.

midlandstrailquestgraham to the thread please 😉

You mean Graham who's found more success since racing SS? Possibly not the greatest proponent.

I stand by my comment, hub gears on a race bike do not belong!

I can see the appeal, but not for chain retention or even weight savings. For me, the larger range would allow me to get away with only having one front ring. (I hardly ever shift into the granny on my current 2x10 setup, but I do need it on occasion, so wouldn't get away with 1x10.) Things have got a bit cluttered on the left-hand side of my bars since buying a Reverb a few months ago, so losing the front shifter would be great.

As said above, it wouldn't be an upgrade I'd ever consider, but if buying a new bike and the technology had trickled down to, say, X7 or X9 level, it would be a feature I'd potentially like to have.

I am amazed at how anyone could get away with no granny ring. Clearly you lot are half my weight and twice as fit...

As for 1x11? Looks nice, complete red herring.

Intrigued by XX1 and look forward to trying it.
Everyone I know who has ridden it raves about it and only has positive things to say.

Real world range seems to be fairly good, although having a few chainrings available might be best to cover different terrain options. It won't suit everyone and SRAM themselves say that too, but for certain riders/racers it looks ace.

I am amazed at how anyone could get away with no granny ring. Clearly you lot are half my weight and twice as fit...

I think XX1 looks great, but then I'm not really bothered about if it needs a chain device or not, I'd run one anyway.

Hub gears on a race bike do not belong!

[devil's advocate] I remember when we all said that about rear suspension and disc brakes. Not so very long ago that some of the most expensive Scott, spesh and trek race bikes (i am specifically remembering listing after the 05 scale and genius rc 'limited') had v brakes whilst cheaper heavier ones had discs. Relate gears and their varieties to the progress made in brakes over the last fifteen years. Imagine if alfine 11 (and putting it in the wheel not the frame) is just the past's pig-iron grimeca cable disc to today's xtr hydro, and xx1 is like the pinnacle of old top end rim brakes, ie the raceline yellow hs33 or single digit ultimate...

I am a late adopter for pretty much everything but I look forward to the possibility of a lighter, less draggy, less cloggy, more robust and more affordable frame mounted gearbox much more than I look forward to losing my front mech and shifter.

[/devil's advocate] and 😉

I am a late adopter for pretty much everything but I look forward to the possibility of a lighter, less draggy, less cloggy, more robust and more affordable frame mounted gearbox much more than I look forward to losing my front mech and shifter.

The pinion I would say not too far off..

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Yum. It will be ace when they can make that whole system competitive with xtr/Xx on weight and drag. I already think centre of gravity and unsprung mass-wise they are doing rather well.

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but I'm not going to pay £1200 until it has some history and real world reviewage.

£1,200 !!! For me it's never

getting tied into £300 cassettes puts me off.

me too, totally

That's just what XTR/XX costs though, it's not any more expensive!

I find my cassettes last ages now I'm running 1x9 as they just don't see the same wear as with multiple front rings. Change the chain frequently and it will be a long time before you trash that expensive cassette... the £250 rear mech might not last if your unlucky though 🙄

I'm wonderign what shimano will come up with, they've kept a normal diameter freehub for DA9000, but it wouldnt be the first time they've brought out a new standard for DA then dropped it 4 years later.

Would 10-9t sprockets be usefull on a road bike? You could drop to a 31-42t on the front and get the same ratio as 39-52 to 11 and save weight and probably imporve front shifting with the smaller jump?

I reckon we're still 5-10 years before a pinion style box becomes a consideration between XT/X9/pinnion on reasnobly priced (well, £2k-£3k) bikes. Mechs and cassettes are just too efficient even if they do wear out (and the UK must be in a minority riding bikes in such crap conditons?).

I find my cassettes last ages now I'm running 1x9 as they just don't see the same wear as with multiple front rings. Change the chain frequently and it will be a long time before you trash that expensive cassette... the £250 rear mech might not last if your unlucky though

I trashed 3 SRAM mechs this summer, and for that reason I'm out untill Shimano make one!

You can pick up the XX1 groupset for under £900 from the German mail order websites now. Not too bad at that price, although as others have said I would live in fear of smashing the rear mech!

I wonder how compatible the front rings are.

If you pair the chainset up with 10-speed with a clutch, you might get many of the benefits.

(I would just go with a small chainring and lose a high gear)

[b]njee20[/b] - Member
That's just what XTR/XX costs though, it's not any more expensive!

If Shimano did an 11 speed 11-42 block for a standard freehub that would be great, 38t ring, sorted.

If you pair the chainset up with 10-speed with a clutch, you might get many of the benefits.

Indeed you will, except the wide cassette.

Would 10-9t sprockets be usefull on a road bike? You could drop to a 31-42t on the front and get the same ratio as 39-52 to 11 and save weight and probably imporve front shifting with the smaller jump?

Smaller sprockets are less efficient, so 42/9 is actually less efficient than 53/11 (assuming same ratios, I've not worked it out), I suspect that would be quite noticeable on the road.

I think that system is interesting but i don't struggle racing my 29er on a single 11-36 and 35t front ring.Not for all day rides but when i only have to smash it up a hill 5 times its not an issue.
Having spoken to my friend at sram i should be able to try some out soon and i will report back.
Bruce

njee20 - Member
I stand by my comment, hub gears on a race bike do not belong!

I won the Guernsey Veterans XC using an Alfine 4 years ago!

Aside from any efficiency disadvantages, 9 tooth sprockets would wear horrendously quickly when used off road.

I bet you would have won by more with a standard setup 🙂

I won the Guernsey Veterans XC using an Alfine 4 years ago!

And just think how much more you'd have won by with proper gears 🙂

Or none at all even!

Rest arrives on Friday so will report back after the weekend!

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Not sure where the £1200 price is coming from. UK RRP (GXP Cranks) is £1010 with trigger, £1000 with gripshift. That doesn't include a BB though. BB30 chainset option is £40 more.

I still don't see the point, specially for you adrian, you could ride everything with 32-22/11-34 set up of even only a 32 or 34 front ring.

The point is it allows more people to comfortably use a 1x system as it gives a spread not a million miles away from a 2x10 setup.

Those currently running a 1x10 setup and enjoying the benefits can have the same but with a much wider spread of gears with no bigger jumps than current equipment allows.

Whats more the point in the long run is that if the front mech is taken out of the frame design equation it opens up many avenues.

Take your example 32-22 with 11-34
(These are calcuatled for 26x2.25)
Lowest gear inches = 17.2
Highest gear inches = 77.1

Most common 2x10 setup - 26/39 with 11-36
Lowest gear inches = 19.1
Highest gear inches = 94.1

Now for 1x11 with a 32/30/28 ring.
Lowest gear inches = 20.2/18.8/17.8
Highest gear inches = 84.8/79.5/74.2

And for a common 1x10 setup with 32/34 on an 11-36
Lowest gear inches 23.6/24.9
Highest gear inches 77.1/81.9

I currently run 1x10 34 11-36 on my mtbs - i get a lower low gear and a higher high gear with no bigger jumps running a 32t ring on the xx1.. whats not to like!

cranks and rings in stock at crc with certain options (170mm only)

10% off at the moment with the code on the home page

+

3% quidco

Well it's here:

For the weight weenies!

Cassette 269g
Chainset (gxp 170mm 32t no bb) 566g
Trigger (with inner cable) 108g
Grip shift (with inner cable) 105g
Grip shift half grip 36g
Matching left hand full grip 62g
Rear mech 241g

not bad

wheres yours come from V10?

Cool! Cassette weight is bloody impressive. At risk of asking a daft question... what frame's it going on?

V10's is going on his santa cruz trc the big tart!!!

njee the cassette is very impressive - dont get me wrong its BIG but its not really [i]that[/i] much bigger than a 11-36

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Going on my TRc for now - its all built apart from the chain which ive only just realised hasnt arrived! Freehub/cassette lockring system is nice and neat too.

Hi v10 - currently running a TRc with XO 1x10 looking to replace just curious what wheels are you running on your TRc with xx1 groupset.

Btw - very jealous!

Matt I've been running Rise60s on it for a while and the freehub system took about 2 mins to change over - freehub kit came with everything for QR and 142x12. From what I've heard hope/dtswiss xD bodies are pretty much ready to go.

Ready to roll, will report back after the weekend.

Got to say aswell, had my frame done over by invisiframe before i rebuilt with the xx1 and feel its worthy of a mention. Bloody fantastic job and very pleased with the finish. The gloss stuff (on matt finish) i had previous looked really patchy.

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not tempted to run without a guide?

Yeah you've got to at least try without a guide!

Not doing any harm though is it!

Will give it a go without the guide at some point soon but i cant be on with taking it off just now 😆

our trails in Molini, Italy

I'm following this thread with interest.

v10 looking forward to your thoughts.

Gordymac

How was it v10 ???

Is this the same place the DH boys do their pre season testing?

what bb did you use v10?

my gxp seems to be incompatible with the ceramic bearing gxp bottom bracket - drive side binds on the bb cup

[quote=v10]Matching left hand full grip 62g

Do you have the part number for the matching grip? Can't seem to find it on the SRAM/Fisher sites..

Bike looks very good-any feedback on the XX1 stuff?

Oops forgot about this ive been a rather busy bee!

Will drop some proper feedback down when ive got a little more time but first impressions are good.

Dirtyrider - running a Ceramic GXP with no problems?

Frogstomp - the matching left grips comes with the xx1 gripshift (no fisher spare part code for this on its own as yet)

got mine sorted, not sure what i was doing wrong but the lbs sorted it

dirtyrider-have you done a ride with it yet?

no, picked it up late last week, and work/kids have meant i couldn't get out

was due to do dalby tomorrow but they had snow up there today so not sure about making the trip

[quote=v10]Frogstomp - the matching left grips comes with the xx1 gripshift (no fisher spare part code for this on its own as yet)

Thanks - it's not obvious from the stuff I've seen that they come as a pair..

The only addition XX1 has over any other clutch mech is that it has a different profile to the teeth on the chainring.......do people really think thats enough to keep you chain on compared to a bog standard chainring?

Err not sure that's totally true, xx1 rear mech has the horizontal parallelogram, which removes the second source of chain slap over bumps. Clutch mechs remove the main source but not all, if I'm to understand the SRAM press release stuff.

What tool do you need to fit the cassette? I presume a normal cassette tool doesn't work.

What tool do you need to fit the cassette? I presume a normal cassette tool doesn't work.

From what I've read you can just use a normal cassette tool - it's just that the lock ring is now part of the cassette, rather than a separate item.

normal cassette tool works, cassette does not move, an internal sleeve rotates onto the freehub threads

First ride on mine today, its bloody good 🙂

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I got mine on Friday, not tried it yet. Roll on next week!

first ride on mine as well,

its nothing ground breaking, just nice to have such a big range without having a front shifter, simple,

no chainguide on mine, chain stayed where it should

deathly silent as well, like riding a singlespeed, all i could hear was the quiet whurh of the freehub (240s) -

Its very quiet and moving the reverb to the left (under the bar) works well.

2 rides in the peaks last week, so proper rocks, no dropped chain, still silent,

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Several rides in the lakes inc Garburn etc - no dropped chain, still silent and smooth.

it was also muddy, and just worked, 42t to 36t jump feel natural as well and not as big as a jump as it seems

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the only thing putting me off is the price of the cassette.... someone reassure me that i needn't worry... please?