Anyone ridden the Mojo Nicolai yet?

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Chainline, it's Rik who was chatting to you first thing on Saturday. Thanks for the heads up about the event and your time on Sat. Thought you might be interested to know I've placed my order!

I think for me, I'm going to need to go for a proper demo on it ideally in drier conditions so I can really get handle on how the bike feels in more familiar conditions.

Actually though, thinking about it now, in those terrible conditions the unfamiliar geometron was much less work/more predictable than my own bike which I'd been riding there for several hours before my test ride.

Would be god to get a Scottish demo day opportunity - long way to go for a demo even if it is much more technical/rigorous than the normal process.

So has ridden the following/uprising as well as a geometron ?

Some testing by the dirt lads recently put up on Instagram...

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Still want one tho! 😉

How did the whyte do in the dirt test?

Rik, excellent, You wont regret it.

I could wade in on this, especially on plus tyres having used them on various bikes for a while but I won't. It's too easy.

Suffice to say all such tests are flawed clickbait and rolls faster yet grips better defies the laws of physics. They foster mtb tribalism, which the community is so good at. I assume that the next full fat bike full suss will do that even more? Or will it be too much...just like 29ers were when they came out...

Ride some bikes, pick one that you love and suits you and makes you feel good, ride it a lot. When it no longer makes you feel good and want to ride it, find another one...

Interesting change to Dirt Instagram post. Name changed to Nicolai tailor made frame, GeoMetron name removed. I understand they had a frame made to mimic a long Sanction but lower/slacker various changes and it didn't quite work as hoped.....

I didn't think the Geometron had been handed out for such a test...

Chainline - the 27.5 Ion, they now offer a "short seat tube" option, so you can size up, but have the same seat tube length. Have you ridden that?

Have 26" Ion I love, am always tempted to get the bigger wheels, and keep mulling over that extra reach option

honourablegeorge. Kinda, its like my previous version of the Ion, my custom. But the 'short seat tube' is just a removal of the gussets and a cut off extension. I dropped the whole top tube and made the ETT longer too. Other than that my last one was a std Ion 650b

lowering the TT and keeping gussets is still custom.

I'd be tempted to change to geometron linkage lever if I was going custom but wanted the rest of the Ion to be standard to improve pedalling without a platform and to make it a bit more progressive to match an air shock. unless you were going coil of course in which case the current curve is bonza. Well the current curve is bonza but I like the firmer platform at sag point offered by the Gtron linkage.

Yeah - I'm not sure the budget would stretch to custom, so the short seat tube was attractive for just 100 Euro, versus 700 for custom. Didn't realise it involved removing the gussets - I quite like them, with the detailing. Do you have a pic, by any chance?

Didn't know the linkage could be changed, that's interesting. Bt if it involves the full custom upcharge, it's probably not for me.

29 and gearbox versions now as well. That should interest more people.

If I have the money available when the time comes to retire my current bike the Geometron is on my list of replacements. But then I guess it'll depend how my riding has evolved and changed by then (I might have retired to a fat bike by then).

Tom Kp

29er not available. Built only for a purpose at the moment, to show that the same geo doesn't really transfer over directly but it may backfire with 29er fans loving it......
Gearbox has been available for a little while. I may get one to make available as a demo bike as an excuse!

FWIW I've had a 29er Ion15 since the start of the year (replaced a 26" Helius AM) and it is faultless.

The only thing that holds me back is me, in terms of bottle, and skills both on the bike and (to lesser extent) setting up.

It's light, climbs well, almost never needing the shock to be locked out, and it descends ridiculously well.

Way out of my price range and even if I could afford it I doubt a mincer like me would really benefit but I'd love to demo the 29er

Thanks digga 😉 The Ion15 was my baby, joint design with me and Marcel. and I agree, still one of my favourite bikes.

I actually preferred my proto with slightly longer chainstays, but thats being picky. it's a stunning all round bike.

I keep telling myself that the longer I suffer and persevere on my steel hardtail, the tricker and more expensive I can go when I get back on a modern bike.

I was just a bit disillusioned with posh, off the shelf superbikes that promise the world, get amazing reviews, then turn out to be flawed and underwhelming. Also I didn't really want to look at any new bikes until the industry decided what a mountain bike actually is again.

I feel like the Geometron kind of bypasses a lot of the industry B.S.
If I can get to a demo day I will make the effort but I'm in the northeast so FOD is a mission.

sharkattack, I think Chris may well do some more Demo days after the success of the FoD, particularly oop North. I too would like to see that.

In the mean time, I've been thinking how demo's can be made more available and for people to ride on terrain they are familiar with but in a cost effective manner for all concerned.

I've generally offered my bike, if the right size, and to visit but obviously thats a bit dependent on my life/schedule since I've kids and a day job. Clearly it also costs me money, the flip side is meeting new people and riding new places and the enjoyment of seeing and helping someone enhance their riding experience. It also helps to get feedback.

It's been a good while since I've visited and ridden Dalby....

I'm not sure the industry will decide, its gone bonkers again with standards and tyre sizes..At least, within reason you can retrofit changes to a Nic and replace with new parts e.g. axle standards, dropouts, levers and rear end. or even front triangle in some cases.

@chainline do you know anything about the Argon Semi Fat proto with the same geometry?

That has me intrigued.

Having spent 24 hours trying to do a deal on a seemingly cheap private 2nd hand one, and emailing chainline with infinate inane questions I will be going for a new one.

Just arranging a days riding with Chainline to get a feel for the bike. His passion and knowledge for this stuff is infectious. A true credit to the industry (that he does for the love of it)

Really like the reviews this bike is getting, but the only thing I think it lacks is space for a water bottle. Is there room or mounts?

rotton, its one of the reasons some people still go for a Helius, to fit a bottle. You could fit mounts below as a custom option. I think on the current Longest there would be room to fit one on the bottom of the top tube, not sure how that would work though. No room on the long/longer.

BiGMAN Ill ask about the argon

Chainline - Member

At least, within reason you can retrofit changes to a Nic and replace with new parts e.g. axle standards, dropouts, levers and rear end. or even front triangle in some cases.

You can't retrofit a 27.5 rear end to a 26" though, unfortunately

(Unless you know different...in which case I'd be interested to hear about it)

@Chainline - I asked them directly this am and it seems it might be a future thing and to go back to them in April.

Either that or it's a custom thing.

Chainline - Member

Thanks digga The Ion15 was my baby, joint design with me and Marcel. and I agree, still one of my favourite bikes.

Here's mine BTW:

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@Digga I do love the semi yellow and red finish. Yes, that's me.

There's a medium on eBay.

There is Mugboo. a young man who changes his bikes rather regularly I think, makes me look like an amateur!

I've now ridden the longest version of this, admittedly only up the car park and back but at least it's something. I was surprised how normal it felt, I was expecting it to feel really odd especially as that's the biggest one they make and I'm only 5.10ish but I could see me getting on with it just fine.

That's exactly how I felt on one. I went to the demo and timed several runs, then went back on my current bike; mojo was consistently faster, felt more stable and confidence inspiring.

That's exactly how I felt on one. I went to the demo and timed several runs, then went back on my current bike; mojo was consistently faster, felt more stable and confidence inspiring.

Taking speed and timing out of the equation, if big brands started doing similar geo bikes it's not as if it's a wild difference for people to get used to. It's just a pity I don't have the cash and there's nothing particularly similar at lower prices

Anyone know the weight of the frames? I'm not a weight weenie but I'll be looking for a new bike in the near future and the Geometron is on my list. It ticks all the boxes I'm looking for: Very slack, long front, no silly short seat stays and no fancy suspension system.

I'm currently on an Orange Alpine (26) and not sure whether to get another newer one, something with less travel like a Five or the Geometron. Just trying to decide what sort of riding I'll be doing for them next 3-5 years after I buy it.

Tom KP.

He didn't tell us the weight and pointed out that heavier bikes have better sprung to unsprung mass ratios explaining how in the past he's filled some frames with lead weights and had better results with them than lighter ones.

Also considering it's much longer than a lot of frames it's not going to be light is it because it's simply got more material in it.

Having said that, it felt lighter than my 32lbs hardtail but I didn't have it to hand to do a proper comparison.

Was that the longest he had there on Friday then?

I think so, it was his bike so whatever he rides, said it should suit people 5.11 to 6.3 but he's thinking of doing a fourth size even longer however Nicolai are reluctant to make the chainstays any longer so it'd be a bit of a compromise at the back end.

I'm not too bothered about weight (within reason), current bike is 35lbs and I like how it doesn't seem to get deflected offline compared to some lighter bikes I've ridden. But it's more about having to winch a heavy bike up long climbs.

He says the steepness of the seat angle and the seat position make it climb better than most bikes and as before, it'll not be a lightweight frame as its simply got more material in it than most.

Standard 2013 Nicolai Ion 16 frame is 7.08lbs/3.2 kg (Size M, black anodize, w/o shock [url= http://www.pinkbike.com/news/Nicolai-Ion-16-review-2013.html ]http://www.pinkbike.com/news/Nicolai-Ion-16-review-2013.html[/url]...

Cheers. Like I said, weight isn't the decider, but no matter how well designed a bike is if it's a proper porker it'll effect climbing on a long ascent. 3.2(ish) plus shock doesn't sound too bad to me for a long travel frame so it's still in the running (not much more than a Transition Covert). As I said, I don't tend to race up climbs, they're mainly there to get me to the top for the fun stuff.

Tom KP

With such a slack head angle, how would putting on a high rise handlebar affect the riding postion?

Like many have said here , climbs nicely and amazing at high speed on the way down,
did not have much time to get used to it but found tight turns a bit weird though.

Pinion gerbox was not to my liking either, pity as I had wanted one for ages..

Bit OT, but has anyone tried short-shocking a Helius CC with a 190x50?

nice or nasty?

He didn't tell us the weight and pointed out that heavier bikes have better sprung to unsprung mass ratios explaining how in the past he's filled some frames with lead weights and had better results with them than lighter ones.

iffoverload - Pinion gerbox was not to my liking either, pity as I had wanted one for ages..

I'd like to try a pinion but I think I prefer the effigar (especially now they have a proper trigger shifter) and you have to accept that gearboxes are different so will fell to standard gears

Stevet1 - I'm sorry but isn't that a load of bollocks?

Nope, its well documented that within reason a heavier bike will hold its line better, also a larger sprung mass provides more resistance against the unsprung so if you hit a bump the frame and the rider are more likely to stay where they are while the wheels mover over the bump.

I would have thought it would have been improved performance on descents rather than climbing (depending on the weight). I know our old TR450 ride better than any other bike I've ever ridden (DH bike) even compared to newer, lighter bikes as that had all the weight low down and central.

I can't imagine a much heavier bike climbing better. Might be more stable and planted, but on a long slog you're still going to be expending more energy compared to the same frame without the extra weight.

I personally think that a bike around 30lbs is light for what I need, but I wouldn't want anything over 35lbs for general trail riding/enduro/all mountain (current bike is 35lbs and it rides as I want it). But going for a new bike I'd want to stay around about 32lbs without compromising the strength of the components and frame.

Tom KP.

I think the issue there is the Geometron has a really steep seat tube so that counteracts any minor weight gain and as said further up, I'd estimate the largest size weighing less than my 32.5lbs bike.

Its not so much that heavy bikes climb poorly, more that poorly climbing bikes tend to be heavy.

@zero cool Mine is 31lbs currently. Frame is 3.4kg with hardware without shock.

I'm running CK hubs, magic Mary and minion, alloy bar and x2 shock, hope cranks so light but not the lightest stuff I have.

I can be a weight weenie. I have made it lighter using my crossmax XL pro wheels I run with dean easy in the rear and Ardent race rear, xtr cranks, renthal carbon bar.

You could run it with a much lighter rear shock, a current rp23 evol would still work well saving another 200g. Using an xx1 cassette helps too.

For Trail duties basically you can run it a hair under 30lbs without any real compromise on durability.

Nicolai are sending a GPI over in the M/Longer size the next month for us to build up and make available as a demo bike, I'll be the custodian and make it available to test either at Mojo or on home trails with me. The same applies to the std bike so back to back tests will be possible. This is happening now.

There is still expected to be a trigger shifter available for the pinion box in the first quarter of next year. If not, Marcel at Nicolai has said to me that they will produce one for it. The grip shift is fine in reality but I too would probably prefer a trigger...I'd probably prefer a Di2 style electric shifter but that might be a stretch, although there is plenty of room in the gearbox housing.

You can also increase or decrease front or rear travel if that suits you rear 140-175mm I recollect. Min at the front is 160 really.

And within sensible parameters I.e. Not 10lbs difference, bike weight makes little difference to actual energy expended climbing, far less so than tyre width/pressures/compound.

Typically 3 lb on a bike with a typical 80kg/175lb rider on a 2hr 300m climb you'd expend an additional 80kcals. Which is quite surprising isn't it. Of course if you have to carry it it's a bugger.

But increasing weight by 3 out of 175lb is a small percentage.

If not, Marcel at Nicolai has said to me that they will produce one for it.

That's a bold statement, if Pinion haven't managed to make one themselves, I'd assume that its because it cannot be done.

Nope, its well documented that within reason a heavier bike will hold its line better, also a larger sprung mass provides more resistance against the unsprung so if you hit a bump the frame and the rider are more likely to stay where they are while the wheels mover over the bump.

Carbon swingarms and air sprung forks decrease unsprung mass.
How much difference do you need?
Also what is this wotnot and is it SRAM or Shimano compatible?

Yeah, decreasing unsprung is the same as increasing sprung (sort of) plus the whole point of this bike is that the designer is telling all those downhill teams something... Their geometry can be adapted successfully for trail riding.

Also what has going in a straight line got to do with anything? No one ever said "my bike is too heavy, it wont go round corners"

How much difference do you need?

Also what has going in a straight line got to do with anything? No one ever said "my bike is too heavy, it wont go round corners"

Please cite me any example in MTB racing where someone has added weights to there bike solely for the purpose of increasing the sprung mass.

35lb bike does not feel heavy till you ride a sub 30lb bike 😉

5lbs is not a lot of weight but it is a 14% weight difference

if you want stability dual ply tyres are your answer.

5lbs is not a 14% difference is the weight of the overall object being propelled. Only the bike, which in itself is only abut 17% of your average, fit , 6ft rider.

Its also weight saved usually in the least important part, the frame. as mentioned reducing unsprung mass gives the most benefits.
and the example is CP adding lead to some DH bikes experimenting with increases in sprung mass and the effect on suspension performance.

Kinda off topic here anyways...just for a change....if you want a carbon framed, lighter bike and think thats important to your riding enjoyment, or are bothered by a 30lb bike. look elsewhere. simples. The choice is there.

Which I guess is where you (or CP) are saying any potential benefits might come from in holding a line

As in holding a horizontal line, not as in turning corners. ie not getting thrown all over the shop.

if you want a carbon framed, lighter bike and think thats important to your riding enjoyment, or are bothered by a 30lb bike. look elsewhere. simples. The choice is there.

This, this and more this. if you perceive benefits are to be had through the reduction of weight, buy a bike designed around that. If you perceive benefits are to be had through progressive geometry, then buy a bike designed around that.

Having spent 2 hours with Chris Porter answering all sorts of questions, his arguments are very convincing. More convincing to me than putting an already good rider on a bike and showing me DH results sheets.

The proof of the pudding is in the riding with this bike. Not everyone will like it, thats for sure. A lot of people will love it.

Chris, and finally Nicolai, has realised this which is why he wanted to offer these demo's. I'm passionate about bike design anyway and in particular this direction, have been for a few years. Which is why I'm trying to answer questions objectively and to get the bikes around the country to ride with interested people on their home trails or where they want to ride, helping with set up and explaining the differences etc. letting them ride back to back different sizes if they aren't sure and with their own bikes if they want that comparison.

I'm off to Hebden to do just that this weekend in fact. Should be fun.

As I said, for a 160(ish) bike I consider 32lbs to be a light bike and sub-30 to be lighter than I'll ever need. I was mainly asking about the weight because no one has really mentioned it appart from saying it's heavier than most bikes but still rides well and you don't notice it. Normally when people say things like this without giving numbers the bike turns out to be a complete anchor

factoring the rider into the weight of a bike is kinda strange IMO. 😕

the rider is a dynamic active component and the same rider on a different weight bike will notice a difference of a few lbs... or to use numbers.. of nearly 1/5 of the bikes weight.

and I'd say riding enjoyment does not depend on anything other than the rider, if you need a weighty bike to have fun though thats fine 😉

Please cite me any example in MTB racing where someone has added weights to there bike solely for the purpose of increasing the sprung mass

if you perceive benefits are to be had through the reduction of weight, buy a bike designed around that. If you perceive benefits are to be had through progressive geometry, then buy a bike designed around that.

Having spent 2 hours with Chris Porter answering all sorts of questions, his arguments are very convincing. More convincing to me than putting an already good rider on a bike and showing me DH results sheets.

Steve1, Chris did add lead weights near to the BB to the team DH bikes he was supporting, experimenting with the effect on suspension and performance.
Quote from Paul Aston' Pinkbike Geometron review "Mojo Suspension and Chris Porter have a history of ruffling feathers: Remember the PVC style skinsuits that popped up at the Fort William World Cup in 2008? Technology taken from ski racing that gave two team riders their best results ever? What about strapping lead weights to his racer's bikes to improve the sprung - unsprung mass ratio?"

I do not believe a heavier bike is better. I do however believe a bike can be too light for descending duties to be 'settled'

I'm off to Hebden to do just that this weekend in fact. Should be fun.

Have you seen the forecast 🙂

Stevet1 - Member
I'm still following this thread as I am honestly interested in how the longer TT /slacker head angle stuff works out.

don't forget the longer chainstays.

everyone always forgets the longer chainstays...

...and the steep seat angle. I was bored of typing by that point.

Recent Pinkbike interview with Jared Graves about his SB5C enduro race bike:

"Even with the chunky wheels on it, I would take a guess that it's not more than 27 pounds, and to me, on high speed, rough stuff, it's still too light. I might even be looking at ways to add weight to my bike for racing, especially if there's more and more high-speed rough stuff. It just starts feeling really unstable if it's too light, so I don't know why people bother trying to save 20 grams here and there - it just seems ridiculous."

oh dear, Hebden does look a bit biblical at the weekend!

What's at Hebden? Full on demo? Good trails?

Worth making a weekend of it maybe?

To be blunt, Chris Porter isn't always right; sometimes he is, but sometimes he's just making it up. See: clutch mechs, 29ers can't brake and need £2500 wheels. And stuff where he's just contradicted himself, 650b being inferior to 26 inch until the day he decided to make a 650b bike when it suddenly became better, 29ers rolling over bumps better then suddenly not.

This doesn't mean he's wrong here but it does mean "Chris says so and explained it very well" is basically worthless, he's very good at making nonsense seem plausible. (he [i]still[/i] claims Neko Mulally's chainless run as evidence for his clutch mech theory- despite Neko saying it was nothing of the sort, frinstance)

Inspired by this I've just ordered an -2 deg Works headset for my medium Spitfire as an experiment. Combined with dropping the forks to 150mm that'll give the following geometry:

64.1 HA
74.6 SA
429mm reach
335mm BB height
441mm chainstay
1190mm wheelbase

He is willing to put his ideas to the test though.
He co/designed a dh bike with Orange with a massively forward positioned pivot point that Julien Camellini rode on the WC series (and choose to continue riding even after it cracked).
His dh bike with a sub 300mm bb height,150mm cranks and an integrated skid plate was'nt as successful (although it was bonkers to ride 🙂 )

He is willing to put his ideas to the test though.

You would though wouldn't you? I know I would. If I had the access that he has to hardware and knowledge and quality trails and riders to guinea pigs things on. I'd just sit there throwing shit at the wall until something stuck. It would be fun if nothing else.

I disagree with a lot of stuff he's come out with in the past. He definitely has a flair for the dramatic and states his opinions as fact. He clearly likes ruffling feathers. Ultimately though, I like his enthusiasm and I'm glad he can do what he does. Someone has to.

I really like the Geometron though, I think they've hit the nail on the head. I just need to get my leg over one but they're all bloody miles away.

Rorschach - Member
He is willing to put his ideas to the test though.
He co/designed a dh bike with Orange with a massively forward positioned pivot point that Julien Camellini rode on the WC series (and choose to continue riding even after it cracked).

I don't always agree with the things he comes out with but the fact he's willing to do these experiments is great. It's proper empirical testing, thinking "what if?", building it, testing it and pushing the boundaries.

The clutch mech thing may have a grain of truth in it (it makes some sense) but I'd imagine the effects are virtually negligible as seen by the wheel/swingarm but then I have no evidence for this. CP may have tested it (though off road testing is always going to be somewhat hard to do as there are so many variables). It is at least a constant and only in the compression direction so can easily be allowed for in the shot tune.
You can't fault his enthusiasm

I'll definitely have a Geometron when they come around 2nd hand and are a price I'm willing to pay for a frame. They any good with 26"?

His dh bike with a sub 300mm bb height,150mm cranks and an integrated skid plate wasn't as successful (although it was bonkers to ride )

Love the sound of this thing - where do I get one? (as if I need another DH bike I won't ever ride) 😆

When I saw Jedi earlier this year he mentioned that he leaves the clutch switched off on his mech because he doesn't like how it affects the feel of the suspension.

you can adjust the clutch.

I don't think Nicolai deliberately make there bikes a bit heavy for performance purposes. It's more that they prioritise durability and use aluminium.

Recent Pinkbike interview with Jared Graves about his SB5C enduro race bike:

"Even with the chunky wheels on it, I would take a guess that it's not more than 27 pounds, and to me, on high speed, rough stuff, it's still too light. I might even be looking at ways to add weight to my bike for racing, especially if there's more and more high-speed rough stuff. It just starts feeling really unstable if it's too light

It's more that they prioritise durability and use aluminium

The weight debate is interesting. I've ridden a lot of Nicolai's and a lot of hub and gearbox equipped bikes - a few points that haven't been made above -

- the location of the weight makes a difference. my Pinion Helius is heavier than the Helius I had with a Rohloff but it feels lighter. Obviously the front/back weight distribution has changed but that's actually the easiest to adapt to - I could still lift/drop the rear heavy bike.

- The suspension definitely feels significantly with a better balance of sprung to unsprung weight (rohloff to light back wheel with aluminium single sprocket) but that's far more about REMOVING weight from the wheel than adding it to the frame

- the location of weight makes a difference. The Pinion has a lot of weight around the bottom bracket - it's not just central, it's low. That's probably got a lot more to do with Chris Porter's lead weights than sprung/unsprung. Cornering on the Pinion is great but it does feel odd when you first get on it. The old Nicoai Nucleon with a Rohloff based gearbox accentuated the weight effects even more - a 40lb 160mm travel bike but low central weight meant it didn't feel like it (though it was far too heavy). Ride a bike with weight higher up (a big saddlepack for instance or a seatpost rack) and it's very different.

If not, Marcel at Nicolai has said to me that they will produce one for it.
That's a bold statement, if Pinion haven't managed to make one themselves, I'd assume that its because it cannot be done.

It's not that hard to make some sort of trigger shifter for a pull pull gearbox - someone's made one for Rohloff. The question is more whether it's an improvement. You're never going to get the light touch 'release' shifting of a conventional trigger shifter though. Electronic shifting would be the answer but difficult to get right in terms of sealing (especially for a small company with less R&D budget).
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Sharkattack. The trip to Hebden is a full demo, although without the wealth of spec changes you would have access to if you went to BPW with Chris and paid for it.

I am travelling to Hebden to meet a guy there and I'm taking a demo bike, set up for him, they are good trails, I have a few local friends that can guide and he will back to back his current bike, I will help with set up etc. So yes a full demo.

The plan is to offer this to people that are seriously interested in the bike as it's the only way to really know if it is for you. So I'm helping Chris out where I'm nearer than he is.

I've been involved with the evolution of the design and had one of my own for a while now, as mentioned having previously had custom iterations of similar bikes moving in this direction
I also did the original design for the Ion 15 with Nicolai, a 29er I still love, that makes the following look kinda high and steep. Chris now has a Geometron 29er, which Seb Stott rode recently..CP isn't keen, but that's not to say others may not prefer it.

I'm passionate about getting people on good bikes that are right for them, I'm not paid, I get to ride with different people on new trails and talk bikes, what's not to like for me.
For Chris I've provided feedback on how the bike can be improved and refined, that should see fruit in subsequent batches, I'd like to no I provide a bit of independent balance and objectivity and I have an open mind as to what's good or works, accepting that it's not the same for everyone, I don't agree with everything that Chris says by a long shot, but he has a lot of experience and knowledge in lots of relevant areas and he does love to experiment.

On the clutch mech thing. I can tell a significant difference in the performance of my suspension with my clutch off. I was sceptical at first, but I can. Strangely the way this bike encourages you to ride has lead me to be off the back brake more which in turn leads to a fairly quiet rear even clutchless.

To make the point re Chris though, I draw the line at removing the O ring seals for the suspension bearings to reduce stiction further 😉

Simon makes some good points about the gearbox too. The trigger development is driven by consumer demand not functionality. In many ways the twist shift complements some of the key advantages of a gearbox.(that doesn't rant to say I like it, though it's fine)

Sharkattack If you mail me, via my email in profile, perhaps a we can sort something out in the new year.

Chris now has a Geometron 29er