@singlespeedstu, thanks but I think I'd prefer a coil. Replaced the X2 on my G15 with a CC DB Coil IL after the usual X2 squelch developed, not sure I want another. Got mine serviced, rode it once and it was mint, but happier on the coil.
I expect @ta11pau1 will be posting in here soon with his new G1 (and if not, why not!).
Reminded me to post up following my swap from a XL G15 to L G16 last week and first ride. Mentioned earlier but at 187cm I was curious to try the slightly smaller Largest frame size - I'm on the border between sizes, and felt more comfortable on my other/similar bike with a 520 reach. With a L G16 being around 520 reach compared to the 535 reach of my XL G15, it should be a good match. I could only just fit a 200mm dropper on the G15 with its 500mm ST whereas the G16's is 470mm giving me a bit of room to drop the dropper further (or fit an even longer one...).
First ride went well but I've already tweaked it since. Everything except cranks/BB was swapped over from the G15, including the CC shock complete with offset bushes already fitted. I didn't have any normal bushes to hand so it resulted in a <61deg HA with my 170 Yari/Lyrik, 29/29er wheels, 216x63 shock (155mm travel) with the chip in the 222x70 setting. It felt VERY slack on my local, tame trails - admittedly a poor test for the bike especially given fairly inconsistently muddy conditions. It did, however, feel a very nice size being slightly shorter than my G15.
I've now fitted normal shock bushes to steepen the HA which is currently 62deg or so. I could flip the chip to the 216x63 setting but concerned about raising the BB height further given I'm full 29er. Yet to ride it to test though.
Pic before I swapped the offset bushes out:
Future plans include mulleting it with a 222x70 shock for 175mm travel. I've got a secondhand Ohlins TTX on the way and already have a 27.5 wheel ready to go. There's sooooooo much tweaking that can be done with these bikes. I know the Ohlins has the option for spherical bearings similar to the EXT, so that's something else I can faff around with in future.
I expect @ta11pau1 will be posting in here soon with his new G1 (and if not, why not!).
Well, if you insist... 😎
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Build went fairly well, my 203mm rear brake adapter m6x18 bolts are too long and hit the inside of the hole which the barrel nut sits in, I could rob a 180mm disc from my other bike but, naaaah! I've got 2 m6x12mm bolts coming to get that sorted.
This build is basically the same as the one I demo'd weight wise but with supergravity tyres instead of supertrail. The mezzer pro is probably one of the few forks that should be able to keep up with the ext on the rear! I'm going to set it to Marcel's settings from the demo ride and then go from there.
Excellent. I see you've already improved the chainstay/seatstay protection - they're noisy otherwise. I've recently discovered this is a decent, well-fitting downtube protector for our bikes, if you're interested: https://www.wiggle.co.uk/nukeproof-dissent-down-tube-protector?sku=105380769
Ahh yes, I'd read that was an issue. VHS slapper tape is on mine, I'm going to fit a bit of mastic tape on the underside of the chainstay as the slapper tape ends right on the edge and so I can see it getting lifted up with some dirt under it.
I've hopefully also pushed the dropper cable into the downtube enough to strap that rattling, I can't stand a rattly bike! Hence the shrink tubed cables too!
Had a mystery rattle on my G1.
Turned out to be the tyre insert I'd fitted had gone loose and was rattling in the tyre.🤣
I've been running one of these for a very quiet drivetrain. https://stfubike.com/
Only other thing thats made any noise is the coil rubbing on the spring perch as it compresses and rotates.
Give the lads a shout and they'll send you a couple of nylon washers to go between spring and perches that totaly silence it.
Only other thing thats made any noise is the coil rubbing on the spring perch as it compresses and rotates.
Give the lads a shout and they’ll send you a couple of nylon washers to go between spring and perches that totaly silence it.
Ooh, I'll keep that in mind, ta. I've already attached the loose plastic washer on the shock to the foam ring with some double sided tape.
@a11y I've already got a rockguardz carbon downtube protector on order for that area.
The rockguardz is great, I've got one of them on mine.
Also I installed some VHS tape and had to get a new derailleur at the same time and it was slapping all around the place even with the VHS stuff. Turns out the clutch wasn't adjusted at all so even when it was 'on' it was 'off' so I had to tighten it up inside the casing and now it's quiet as can be. Honestly not sure what the VHS tape does if it slapped around so much on mine!
If ever a bike didn't need a downtube protector, it's the G1.
Yeah my riding buddy said the same thing until he dented it.
I need to get myself some replacement Geometron decals - for whatever reason, my G16 has Nicolai decals on the top tube. I know they 'fit' the bike, but should be Geometron. Definitely a 'mk2' G16 with the chainstay mutators, 148 rear end and slacker HA (and Mojo on the ST brace).
Black or tarty?
Yeah just saves from any dents from rocks in that particular area.
Black or tarty?
Gloss black. You've got a stealth thing going on there, while you're at it get some stealth/blacked out DT Swiss decals too 😉
Gloss black. You’ve got a stealth thing going on there, while you’re at it get some stealth/blacked out DT Swiss decals too 😉
My thoughts too. However, rims - I want everyone to know I've sprung the £££ for DT Swiss rims, so nah 😉
Have any G1 owners also ridden a HB916? soon to line up a demo of both and iterested to see how they compare.
Have any G1 owners also ridden a HB916?
Looks like you've got the same shortlist as me!
I've got unfinished business with Geometron but I also like to try new things.
Have any G1 owners also ridden a HB916? soon to line up a demo of both and iterested to see how they compare.
If I didn't go for the G1 then the Hope would have been on the list along with the Deviate Claymore.
I'd consider a Deviate Claymore in black. It'll probably be out by the time I'm shopping for a bike.
I'm very HB916 curious at the moment and I'm keen to swing my leg over one to try. This would be to replace a G1 I've had for nearly 3.5 years now.
A few things I'd certainly miss from my Geometron are:
- The after sales support from Geometron has been fantastic.
- The suspension set-up support from Geometron is worth a lot, I still regularly ask them questions and get good answers.
- The frame is just so robust, mine's had plenty of knocks and it's just hilariously tough.
- The raw finish is so convenient. For example, I don't think twice about clamping it onto the roof of the car while it's covered in mud or putting the chain-stay on my workbench to knock a bearing out without fear of losing some paint.
- It's so easy to work on. If I want to take the shock out or flip the travel flip-chip it's all very accessible. Taking it apart to change bearings is easy. The cable routing is sensible.
- Most other bikes (even modern ones) feel steep and strange when I ride them now.
- It's very adaptable. If I want to raise or lower the BB I can add or remove blocks from the seat-stay mutator. If I want to lengthen the chainstay I can change the chainstay mutator. If I want to run it mullet without affecting the geometry, no problem.
- The two travel options are useful. I run 162mm most of the time and flip it to 175mm for uplift days and holidays.
- The EXT shock is fantastic.
- The bike is fantastic to ride.
... I think I've just talked myself out of changing 😀
My frame came with 10mm and 6.5mm seat stay mutators, currently on the 10mm, std settings are 6.5mm for the XL but my fork has a higher A2C than the reference measurements at 384mm. Measuring the HA with an angle app on my phone on the stem bolts or stem cap it comes out as almost exactly 62.5 degrees, 345mm BB height and just over 1350mm wheelbase. Guessing the 6.5mm mutators would drop the BB by 10mm making it even slacker!
Hopefully pushing the button on an XL next week after a great test ride...
Two questions, where is that little water bottle from @ta11pau1?
Also, bike racks. I suspect, no, I know the current bike rack isn't going to hold a G1, my son's medium stumpjumper only just fits, so who makes LLS bike racks? Ideally holding 4bikes....
I cannot wait to point it down the local routes!
Hopefully pushing the button on an XL next week after a great test ride…
Two questions, where is that little water bottle from @ta11pau1?
Also, bike racks. I suspect, no, I know the current bike rack isn’t going to hold a G1, my son’s medium stumpjumper only just fits, so who makes LLS bike racks? Ideally holding 4bikes….
I cannot wait to point it down the local routes!
Nice, you won't regret it!
The bottle is a YT Thirstmaster master 2000, fill out the form here https://uk.yt-industries.com/products/parts/ and they'll create and order for you. Be sat down though when they do, the bottle and cage is £55.90 delivered! You can get the mounting bracket from Geometron.
For bike racks, my Buzzrack E-scorpion is long enough, but it's only a 2 bike rack - you could always just turn the bars 180 degrees, this shortens the bike by about 10cm.
Thanks @ta11pau1
Will experiment with the bike rack, and ponder the bottle at that price, hip pack is no real hardship!
Will experiment with the bike rack, and ponder the bottle at that price, hip pack is no real hardship!
Yeah it's expensive but I wanted a bottle for my local from the door rides, I end up wearing a hip pack just to carry some water otherwise!
On my hour night ride the other night I barely drunk a sip.
I've got a Buzzrack Buffalo which carries 4 bikes. It's the dangly kind which holds the top tube. Wheelbase is irrelevant.
Before that I had a Thule 598 for the G16 which had a few mill to spare.
I was out on mine today, with a new addition, a Cane Creek Viscoset. I bought it for my bikepacking bike, but was interested to try it out on the G1 first.
Perceived Internet Wisdom™ tells us that slack bikes are slow steering, so a G1 is therefore going to be a barge. Those of us who actually ride them know that the wheel flop at slack angles can actually make the steering quite lively.
I liked it, it's pretty subtle. I don't think I'd shell out for it unless I was needing a new headset, but I'd get it if that was the case.
I also figured out a water bottle solution which seems to be working nicely 🙂
Interesting headset, basically a steering damper (not the same as the canyon system). It would help when trying to work on the bike on the ground, 1 degree off vertical and the bars try and smack you in the leg as it flops one way or the other 🤣
The flop at super low speeds when riding, well I'm already used to it.
Yeah, it was the low speed flop I was interested in with the headset. That wiggle when you're nosing slowly into a narrow chute or rut.
It doesn't actually stop the flop when static, it just makes it very slooooooow.
I've found I need to re-learn* trackstanding as the steering just wants to flop fully over when doing it!
*When I say "re-learn" I just mean learn, I was never that good at them...
@bedmaker
I see you've got your EXT fork back.
Has the bushings issue been sorted?
Yeah, the Mojo guys fettled it and adjusted the damping tune too. I've not put much time on it since getting it back, but whilst it's much better than before, it still feels distinctly meh considering the cost.
I'll see how it goes after a bit more time and adjusting settings.
@bedmaker
I'm running mine way softer than the recommended pressures and also a huge amount more open on the damping.
Out in Spain I had to slow the rebound down around four clicks but back home I've been speeding it up more as it's getting colder.
Give us a shout if you're heading down Inners way. Be good to ride with you again without the Ronas.🙄
Christmas has unexpectedly arrived a day early... already looking forward to boxing day 😀
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Nice.
What's your setup?
XL frame. Ext shock and forks. Hope V4 Tech 4 brakes, the new new hope dh pedals, SRAM GX, hope wheels. 213 Revive, I think I may end up launching myself off the bike after riding the 185 revive for so long 😀
Will possibly go to a mullet for the Mega, but I'll see if I need to over the coming months, I need some switchbacks to practice on!
Congratulations I guess, not jealous at all!
I've been looking at used G1's all week. There's a perfect specimen available but I'm not ready to pounce on it. Now that there's stock in the shops and decent sales on it's tempting to start building.
I've never been very happy with my G16 replacement even though it's perfectly adequate. It just doesn't have that addictive 'runaway monster truck' vibe when you're on the gas.
First ride out on some proper trails today, nothing majorly steep or gnarly but a load of stuttery bumps and roots etc. A couple of 1-2ft drops/jumps to flat, which is fairly typical of my riding - the biggest drops I'll ever hit will be maybe 3-4ft.
I'm running the G1 at 175mm, with a 375lb spring - I'm 74-75kg - and I've got the shock at the recommended settings we got to on my demo ride:
EXT shock settings:
375lbs spring (tested), 350lbs spring for winter riding
Low speed compression: 3 clicks from fully open
High speed compression: 5 clicks from fully open
Rebound: 4 clicks from fully open
I am on clips now Vs flats when I did the test ride, but that's the only change.
I'm using pretty much all the travel on the Storia on these trails, the foam bumper and plastic washer are at or very close to the end of the travel, but I'm not feeling any sort of bottom out at all. To me, that seems like a bit too much travel being used.
My forks (mezzer pro @ 170mm) have about 40-50mm travel in reserve which is what I'd expect for these trails.
Now, thinking about it, Marcel did mention that the shock I demo'd was getting towards the limit of the compression tune and so my shock was specced with the 'light' high speed tune which would mean I'd need a click or 2 more high speed compression damping than I had set on the demo day, wouldn't it? I would have added a click or 2 more today but I'd forgotten that it's a spanner for that and I didn't have one with me!
Just checked and I was set at 5 clicks from open which would be less high speed on my shock Vs the demo shock due to the lighter HSC tune.
Is that 75kg kitted up Paul? looking at it i also ride fairly similarly to you although i have 400 & 425 springs. We worked of a riding weight of 80-82kg kitted up.
Currently only ridden with 400 in 175mm setting.
75kg with no riding gear, so fully loaded on a big day (3l water, bag, pads, food etc) probably more like 80kg.
On the demo ride I don't remember there being many (any) drops and I remember the shock travel getting to about 75% travel.
I'm very much a wheels on the ground rider and ride a lot of 'natural' stuff in the lakes, Scotland etc.
The recommended spring for 80kg kitted up is 375lbs so it would seem right - I'll treat again with the extra HSC and maybe order a 400lb spring for the 'sendy' bike park days 🤣
Yeah I went one spring rate up from recommended and went a lot less on both compressions and I can't complain at all. It sits a little higher which I like but still has all the insane small bump sensitivity, and I really only bottom out if I case a jump badly.
Were you in the 175 setting on the demo ride?
Normally need to go up a spring rate between 160 and 175
Yeah 175mm on the demo ride.
Yeah I went one spring rate up from recommended and went a lot less on both compressions and I can’t complain at all. It sits a little higher which I like but still has all the insane small bump sensitivity, and I really only bottom out if I case a jump badly.
Good to know, I'll keep an eye out for a spring - might actually see if anyone wants to swap a 350 for a 400 spring.
Good to know, I’ll keep an eye out for a spring – might actually see if anyone wants to swap a 350 for a 400 spring.
If you're in the Geometron Bike Owners Club group on facebook someone there might swap!
Did your Storia come with 2 springs? Speak to GeoMetron as they will often swap one spring for another for the price of postage.
I'm running a 400lbs spring for winter and I've got a 425lbs spring for the dry day due in August 🙂 I thought they all shipped with two springs (probably around 85kgs with kit).
I might put the 425 on ahead of the enduro season starting for me at Gisburn in April.
The bike keeps on surprising me with how capable it is, up and down, bloody love it!
Yeah mine came with 2x springs, they all do.
Just dropped Marcel an email to confirm shock settings and get his thoughts on a heavier spring.
Is that at 175mm @twistedpencil ?
The bike keeps on surprising me with how capable it is, up and down, bloody love it!
Yep it really is, the trails I was riding aren't steep but there's lots of sections with massive roots and they're quite fast so it can get pretty rough - felt fast on the G1 despite not having ridden properly for a few months!
Sincere apologies given the source of the link, but **** yeah: Geometron G2 Pinion Gearbox Bike 2024.
Doesn’t look much different to my 2016 Ion GPI. It would be more newsworthy if they were using the motor gearbox unit. I don’t think the writer knows much about the subject either.
Looks mint, but £8000 is quite a chunk of change.
Still loving my G13 6 years on 😀
Was chatting to Sam from Geometron a few weeks back over Golfie.
He's been riding that test mule bike that's pictured and was absolutely raving about it.
Said he preferred it in the setup pictured rather than the high pivot which that frame can also do.
Might be interested in trying one with the new electric shift Pinion fitted but in no rush to swap my G1 at the moment.
Looks mint, but £8000 is quite a chunk of change.
It is a lot but you'd probably save the difference in a few years just by not having to replace the drivetrain as often!
I'd love to have a go on one, but to be fair I'm still totally obsessed with my regular G1 just over 2 years on from getting it. Still feel no need to ever get another (non e bike) bike. I also demoed a load of ebikes at FODFest the other weekend and while they were amazing for blasting up the hills, not one of them felt anywhere near as fun going downhill as my G1.
From the article:
“The bike design is still the largest cost but the second largest cost is now the drivetrain. With SRAM T-type the second most expensive thing on your bike is now a wearable part. If you’re spending £2,000 on a drivetrain per year then the market is ready for a more robust drivetrain package you get more value for money from. A lot of people would rather spend £1,500 on a gearbox that’s got a 10,000 mile service life on it.”
Anyone here spending £2000 a year on their drivetrain? I like gearboxes (I don't want one) but when you have to make shit up to sell them, it makes me sad.
It would be more newsworthy if they were using the motor gearbox unit.
I had the same thought. I see the attraction of an ebike for winch n plummet days out, but I'd want a Geometron one rather than compromise on anything else. This but with a combined gearbox/motor in a few years when I'm approching 50... that would be of huge interest.
I’m still totally obsessed with my regular G1 just over 2 years on from getting it.
Same as me, but G15 then G16 in place of G1. Even a swap to a G1 is too difficult to justify at the moment because of the amount of fun I'm having on my G16. This would need a hell of an incentive for me to swap to, but a gearbox might just about do it.
How does that chain tensioner get on for riding over log where you might normally hit your chain ring - looks to be right in the firing line.
I'd still rather have a G1 with GX Eagle.
Anyone here spending £2000 a year on their drivetrain? I like gearboxes (I don’t want one) but when you have to make shit up to sell them, it makes me sad.
Yeah that's cobblers innit.
I thought I'd be back in the Geometron gang by now but I'd have to go used and there was eff all available when I was looking. Just the same handful of overpriced bikes up for months on end.
How does that chain tensioner get on for riding over log where you might normally hit your chain ring – looks to be right in the firing line.
Its sprung loaded, so will move out of the way.
Anyone here spending £2000 a year on their drivetrain? I like gearboxes (I don’t want one) but when you have to make shit up to sell them, it makes me sad.
What they are eluding to is expensive mechs (an XT 12 speed it £100) hanging off the back of the bike which can then have the ability to trash a rear wheel if it goes through the spokes. People will buy XTR/XX groupsets which are mega money, so the cost of a gearbox is now no longer a blocking point (Rohloffs used to be significantly more than an X9/X0 groupset back in the day).
I've had my G1 for 3 years now, its been faultless, covered 3000miles and must over a million feet of descending. One set of frame bearings, two Zeb CSU's. When the new bike comes out, I could be tempted.
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How does that chain tensioner get on for riding over log where you might normally hit your chain ring – looks to be right in the firing line.
It'll get pushed backwards and then spring back to its start point. Roox did this years and years ago with the Roller Coaster chain guide
What they are eluding to [...] so the cost of a gearbox is now no longer a blocking point (Rohloffs used to be significantly more than an X9/X0 groupset back in the day).
Sure, then just say that; "The upfront cost of pinion shouldn't be the factor that makes you hesitate to try one of these bikes". Choose them because they make sense for all the reasons that gearboxes do. Comparing them badly to SRAM systems that routinely last nearly as long (my mix of GX and XO1 got to 8,000kms and well over a year!), just makes the whole thing seem dodgy to me.
Also, how cool would it be to be able to buy a bike that had that many shock mounting options on it..?
Anyone here spending £2000 a year on their drivetrain?
That is absolute guff of the highest order. I don’t think between the 6 or 7 bikes myself & my other half have we spend that collectively & that includes 2 full fat ebikes which get used & abused in the winter 😆
Even so, having ridden a Pinion, I’d happily spend £2000, not to ride one.
Anyone here spending £2000 a year on their drivetrain?
Not spent that much in total on my drivetrain in over over 30 years of riding. Even including my brief flirtation with XTR kit. It baffles me that there's a market for Sram Transmission stuff at all. Gearboxes do start to look better value in comparison.
I thought I’d be back in the Geometron gang by now but I’d have to go used and there was eff all available when I was looking. Just the same handful of overpriced bikes up for months on end.
There were a bunch for sale at half reasonable prices, they seem to be gone.
