[Closed] Anyone modified a MoCo damper?

You should be able to do something, unfortunately I don’t know what. What I do know is that 32mm Boxxers didn’t suffer from the same issue. Admittedly Team and World Cup versions had a “Floodgate” but the Races didn’t and they were still better than a Yari. I’ve got a sneaking suspicion that RS deliberately hobbled the Yari

Just found an exploded view - no shim stack for compression, so it's just the plastic spring. You can reshim the rebound, but it looks fairly pointless as the rebound actually works fine.

I could port the push-rod compression hole, but will have the same affect as lowering the oil viscosity. So think I'll just pop some 2.5wt in.

I was told the oil would make a small difference but probably not actually a game changer.

Best option are a charger damper to drop in and throw out all of the moco stuff including the rebound rod. Or you can look at Fast / Novyparts uprated compression assemblies. They keep the same rebound I believe - but in particular the Fast Yari up gives you loads of compression adjustments.

I went for a charger 2 damper in my Yari as the 2.1 wasn’t out at that point. That, along with the 2019 Debonair spring massively improved the fork.

I modified my Revelation by ditching the Moco rubbish and replacing with Charger and Debonair. I'm with Mashr, I reckon RS knew the compression damping wasn't fit for task, I've never known them to bring out backwards compatible upgrades so quickly.

I owned a MoCo Reba once. It was by far the worst fork I've ever owned. I'd be upgrading the damper altogether.

Changed the oil for 2.5wt a while back which did make a noticable difference.

Is it not possible to drill out the holes at the bottom of the damper to widen them? Always run mine with the compression wide open and feel like it's not open enough.

The Yari on my Slash 8 works pretty well to be honest. It's far better than the older Yari I had a few years ago, but I suspect that's down to the newer Debonair spring.

I am looking to upgrade the damper eventually, but not made my mind up about which way to go.

MRP Ramp Control made the Yari really nice to ride.

The ramp control is just an adjustable token. The main problem with the Yari is the Compression.

Saw a YouTube video where a chap had made a shim that can be used to open the floodgate.

I think there was a link to the 3d printing file. Would anyone here know what to do with that?

The other option I keep looking at is the Novyparts Splug. Not tried one yet though.

Is it not possible to drill out the holes at the bottom of the damper to widen them? Always run mine with the compression wide open and feel like it’s not open enough.

Yeah, that's what I meant by porting the damper.

I'll have a look, as I reckon that's the only option with the MoCo damper looking at how it's designed - other than replacing the plastic spring with a softer plastic so it can deform more - but it really feels like a poor design.

Novyparts Splug. Not tried one yet though.

I have the splug, dead easy to fit & definite improvement, especially as I'm no lightweight!
Also got luftkappe (& its not debonair)

I'd say it's still not quite as good on the really fast rough descents as my old charger /luftkappe pike, even tho it tracks better

3d printed shim

Limbers, be really interested in more detail on that if you could. In theory, adding the Splug would make it like the old manitou dpc which was well regarded.

Do Novy offer much help afterwards to resign the compression?

Bloody autocorrect. kimbers and reshim.

The best option by far is to drop in a Charger 2.1. I got one from the Germans for £150.

Every other option is either not worth it or more expensive for no additional gains.

JP

The Yari on my Slash 8 works pretty well to be honest. It’s far better than the older Yari I had a few years ago, but I suspect that’s down to the newer Debonair spring.

Is that because the new one also has a Charger damper now?

Charger 2.1 for the wife's 29er revelation boost is €260 and out of stock.

Don't some Yari and Revelation forks for OEM have the charger RC damper? A spring backed ifp like the rhythm dampers in fox?

I set my lad's SID RCT3 off to J-tech and they did a good job tuning it.

@Onzadog

The splug only has LSC, I think 28 'clicks' - quite hard to detect them, you need to do 4 at a time to notice a change, but worth persevering.
This side of it is great, grip & support are ace.

HSC is just a bit too firm on mine, has to be reshimmed by novy, but u have to send it back & I'm too lazy ! I put lower weight oil & that helped, but I'd still like it lighter.
It just costs postage, but I'm tight/lazy

Cheers. I'm wondering if a Yari with an Splug might be better than a lyric with a bit of effort.

TBF, I'm a bit of a porker & lack finesse

If splug had user tuneable HSC id give it 5* review, rather than 4 !

Well, I ended up swapping in an RCT3 Charger 2 damper for my mate today. It feels noticeably nicer than the MoCo

fast do a drop in damper

https://www.tftuned.com/new-2019-v2-fast-yarirevelation-up-3-way-damper-upgrade/p3365

Cheers Poah,
looks a lot like the Splug but and extra £80 for adjustable mid valve.

@mashr

I'm pretty certain mine came with moco, not charger. I thought the Lyrik Select was the entry level charger fork?

For the ease of it, I'll probably end up with a charger damper in mine when I give it a good service.

Select has a Charger RC

Just had a go at modifying mine. Took the moco out and just added an extra 3 small holes at the bottom to increase the oil flow. As you look at it from the bottom I drilled another hole to the right of each existing one making sure the compression adjuster covers them when turned to fully closed. I would post a photo but it never works for me.

I put the Fast V2 3 way compression unit into my Yari, and it makes that chassis shine. It's now significantly better than my mates new Lyrik Ultimate. And by better I mean that I can wind the LSC right off and get great small bump absorption, but then add in mid stroke damping to keep the ride height up. High speed can be adjusted by changing the shim stack, but with stock wt oil i've not felt the need to change the HSC. I'm also running the MRP ramp cartridge, which I really like - but as someone else said, it's doing the same job as tokens - but you can adjust it whenever you want and with a finer adjustment than tokens. It also has the earlier Debonair upgrade, but I think I'll be getting the more recent one that solves the slight suck down issue that is still there.
TLDR - Fast V2 is pretty awesome in my opinion.

Let us know how you get on - I have a sacrificial one I could be tempted into ruiningmodding

That’s a point, I’ll see if I’ve still got one for someone to play with. Think it got binned though

I hope you're happy with yourselves, off the back of this thread I've just ordered a yari-up and a ramp control to try and make my yari a better fork.

Please let us know what you think of them.

I'm having a bit of a 'mare with Manitou Mezzer forks right now and am seriously considering sacking them off and starting with a Yari chassis with "toys" added to suit.

There's also MST who make a drop in compression replacement for the MoCo damper.

Chickadeehill are a German company who make the CoMo. It looks rather cunning. You just prise the end off the MoCo and click in the shim stack.

Anyone using either of these?

I've been moaning about my Moco in my Pikes being harsh on repeated big hits and giving my hands hell but I've stumbled on a solution.

Hands felt a bit too close to my knees on techy climbs so raised the contact points with a bar with 1" more rise.

Not only did it have desired affect on climbing position but downhill control was much better too - less neck fatigue from having to peer under helmet peak and the front was so much easier to lift and as my weight had more rearward bias the fork performed so much better with less of me to deal with.