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[url= http://db.tt/Onip7bVy ]Big brother is stalking you...[/url]
just got this through the post! Looks like all my future rides on endomondo will be listed as friends / private from now on.
I've now got a crick in my neck from trying to read your landscape letter. Expect a letter from my solicitor.
hardly stalking btw more like shooting fish in a barrel. If I owned a shedload of public access land I'd be tempted to see if anyone was posting strava/endomondo stuff.
how did they find you?
So they checked Endomondo to see who was riding where and then did some supersleuthing to find out your address? Wow! That's some determined landowner.
We'll be seeing a lot more of this.
And FWIW I'd be a bit careful what you post on a public forum
interesting. I was always a bit wary of putting stuff up on Garmin Connect in case this happened :(. Looks like big brother is catching up on us
Is Endomondo how they traced you to your name and address? The Viscount may have spoken to the police but I doubt very much the police are "involved" as AFAIK they have no powers to complain or assist in evicting you unless you breach the peace or damage property.
If you get into dialogue with the Vis, suggest he builds a bike park and tea room business. He needs the money:
[url= http://www.birminghampost.net/life-leisure-birmingham-guide/postfeatures/2011/05/06/stopping-the-rot-at-hagley-hall-65233-28633440/ ]Stop the Rot[/url]
Nice tie:
[img] http://www.stourbridgenews.co.uk/resources/images/1054330/?type=articleLandscape [/img]
I'd reply to it, denying and knowledge of what they're on about!
The Viscount!
I'm glad I live in Scotland, and also won't touch any route tracking nonsense with a bargepole.
Ha very good! I wouldn't say it is very threatening though. Mmm Viscount biscuits.
and the moral of the story is?
I vant....
I vant....
A viscount.....
DrP
I presume you werent silly enough to start and finish your ride on your GPS right at your front door?
and the moral of the story is?
Move to Scotland and give them the viccy.
Treacle, nope...
Ton, the moral is upload your workouts as private..
MicArms - MemberTreacle, nope..
In that case not sure how they would narrow it down to you over other people that ride there.
The cunning use of endomondo name and directory inquiries?
In that case I think you can safely ignore them! Oh and sign up to strava with a false name. And wear a false beard when you [s]ride[/s] walk on their land. 🙂
Ton, the moral is upload your workouts as private..
or, if you misbehave, you will get found out....... 😆
Tell em' to fek off whilst riding on the land (note not "their" land) whilst wearing a right to roam t-shirt and a 2L Coke bottle full of wee, you know just for his shoes.
or, if you misbehave, you will get found out.......
Nah, nobody's seen me on norphub.com yet. 🙂
Ah...
At least he sent you a letter!
I would have come round in my Landrover and turned Donuts on [u]your[/u] front lawn!
DrP - Member
I vant....
I vant....
A viscount.....DrP
But I am a Prince!
No, a Viscount you clutz!
PMSL, I haven't heard tht for years. 😆
Where exactly is this ?
I might go for a ride, er, I mean go for a walk while pushing my bike, there.
[cntrl, + Alt + arrow key] 🙂D0NK - MemberI've now got a crick in my neck from trying to read your landscape letter. Expect a letter from my solicitor.
Treacle, nope...
You have many routes starting near your front door. That's the problem with these sites they provide so much infomation and the more you add, like for instance your job the harder it is to hide.
Ignore him - looks like he dribbles when he signs his name - probably talks to trees too.
all they need is your name and a rough idea where you live and the electoral roll will do the rest.
Even if you have a couple of km exlusion zone around your house it wouldn;t be enough.
I want to know how you've been damaging the monument.
Did it envolve one of your initiation ceremonys? 😉
Maybe they traced you from the "fluids" you left behind. 😯
not with dropbox doc in firefox smarty pants 😉[cntrl, + Alt + arrow key]
He he he
I've met him once or twice in the past, he seemed a nice chap
Oh and never use your real name or start rides from your front door on tracking websites hth
So they know you've been there in the past. How are they going to know you've been there in future now you're wise to their data-trawling techniques?
Anonymise everything and enjoy your riding. If they catch you in person, that's different.
Worked for me in chromenot with dropbox doc in firefox smarty pants
He does own a bloody awful lot of land, an ex used to stable her horses on his land down in Churchill
I'm no lawyer, but I don't believe you have committed any offence under 'trespass' that the Police would be interested in
PrinciplePart V Criminal Justice and Public Order Act 1994 (CJPOA) s 61-80 conferred powers on the police and created offences in connection with various forms of trespass, including:
mass trespass
trespass by hunt saboteurs
trespass by squatters
nuisance caused by raves.The Act also introduced powers to direct trespassers to leave land and amended existing legislation in relation to the use of violence to secure entry to premises.
Are you in a group? Causing mischief? Using violence?
He is a complete dick, I remember when his mrs left him for David Mellor, I worked there for years whilst at school and cobham proved to be a knob over and over sgain
Ah furry muff, I've only met him at public events
David Mellor sounds like an excellent strava name for a regular visitor to the estate.
Oh my god, Lord Nobham has far too much money and time to be persuing this with tracking people down and sending letters & wasting the time of the police who should be out catching real criminals like the chavs that broke into my neighbours last week.
Crazy as the majority of mtbers are law abiding citizens living within his parish!!
I saw something about 6 months ago in the stourbridge news where he was having a moan that riders are using Wychbury hill and the trails and that he was against it,trying to get them blocked off etc. on the premis of damaging/eroding the hill/trails, i get the feeling he thinks mountain bikers are all chav yobs, i have been riding the area for the last 20 years, & think this is a step too far, really cant be done with people trying to restrict you from using what is countryside for all to enjoy...
How the hell did he find out where you live? did you park a car close that they got your reg via a camera? or maybe they have spys in the woods of some sort?
He is currently trying to sell off land to get about 200 houses built in Hagley to fund upkeep of his mahoosive house, i personally have signed the petition and hope he doesn't get his way, hopefully in an ideal world at some point he will run out of cash & the house will be bought by the National trust, there is so much of his estate that is out of bounds to the public, like pretty much one whole side of Clent hills, all with an elec fence around apparantly to protect deer inside...it should be opened up for the public to enjoy like the rest of Clent.
As for Clent it needs a designated all weather trail putting in there as there are so many good trails, but the NT dont like riders it seems....there were some great hidden trails but the last time i went up the NT have cut down huge trees to block off all the fun stuff.
So your left to bridleway riding though 1ft deep of horse shit!
On a separate note my mate got bitten by a dog up there the other night, the owner thought it was attracted to the bike light, then thumped my mate stating he had no right to be up there on a bike at night !!
Next thing police will be thinking that bike lights are UFO's or something...(yes, that was in the recent press too).
Clent can be quite scary night riding alone, especially when you know about the Devils Huntsman.
An old story states that Harry-Ca-Nab, the devils huntsman, kept his pack of hounds at nearby Halesowen - ('hells-own;' perhaps in Dog Kennel Lane)? Riding on ghostly white bulls Harry-Ca-Nab and his pack hunt wild boar and lost souls over these hills. Those who climb the slopes at night in search of extraterrestrial encounters and UFO's witness only Old Scratch and his companions reel across the heavens.
Its even been in Doctor Who so it must be true!
Checking through his memories the Doctor recalls the legend of the Devil’s Huntsman hunting lost souls on the Clent Hills.
http://www.drwhoguide.com/whobb936.htm
Mantastic, your soo right!!
Martinhutch, great idea!
[cntrl, + Alt + arrow key]
not with dropbox doc in firefox smarty pants
Worked for me in chrome
Nothing to do with browsers, something about Windows accessibility features IIRC
[i]I remember when his mrs left him for David Mellor[/i]
That would be a good enough reason to top yourself! 😯
The letter seems perfectly reasonable except the bit about the police. either he thinks he can intimidate you by claiming they're involved falsely or, because of his "position" they are involved which is a hideous 2 tier system. Both would probably tempt me to did my heels in and be a pita. Had he not mentioned plod, I would probably comply with his request and consider it a fair cop (no pun intended).
+1 for continuing to track rides but with a new 'David Mellor' username... What a complete nobber.
borrow a dog and attach your gps to it's collar and go for a dog walk on the estate 😀
Better still, attach it to a pheasant and tell the cops him and his mates were shooting at you.
civil offence, trespass, damages etc
you caused any damage?
thought not.
just remember: skids are for kids...
wern't your GPS and laptop stolen a while back? the scrote is obviously using them to log his rides
The great thing about user names on t'interweb is you can have DavidMellor1, DavidMellor2, DavidMellor3...
Not that I would suggest you get your friends to join in. That would be a bad thing.
Thats fine riding on private land without permission, BUT do you know were you are riding has no protected nesting birds, no SSSI or shooting.The Landlord/owner has every right to protect his livelyhood. riding were there are protected ground nesting birds and SSSI is a criminal offence and massive fines for the land owner and person found in these areas. also shooting rights on this private land, you may be in danger of getting shot by mistake.
We used to be allowed to ride and have events on private land in Thetford but a few riders would not take heed of our requests and now riders are banned from this area for there own safety.
My advice is dont be bullish and take note from the land owner. this right to roam is OK but its not a heads up "I dont give a stuff Im going to ride on your land" 😕
If you are causing no damage to scheduled monuments, SSSIs etc there is nothing he can do without first taking out an injunction on you. Carry on
C
"As for Clent it needs a designated all weather trail putting in.."
Er...no.
It may have been already said but.... serves you right for leaving a tracably record of your trespass....
I dont have an Iphone or a garmin, just a bike that I use on a regular basis....
[quote=martinhutch said]David Mellor sounds like an excellent strava name for a regular visitor to the estate.
Genius 🙂
Just for public record, I have had a long hard think about this.
Have decided to sell the mountain bike and just use the road bike from now on.
"Just for public record, I have had a long hard think about this.
Have decided to sell the mountain bike and just use the road bike from now on."
It this to try and reduce the damage you are causing by having thinner tires? 😀
Could I suggest that upon getting your new David Mellor username your first ride over the estate might take inspiration from this
[url= http://www.strava.com/runs/18625394 ]Strava Knob[/url]
I'm not sure what's worse; doing something you shouldn't and being numb enough to stick it on the internets, or threatening people by post when you don't really know what you're talking about.
Reply by post telling him to stop the harrassment and he shouldn't believe everything he reads on the internet.
And maybe if you're riding cheeky trails, don't advertise the fact?
Selling your mountain bike would be an over-reaction unless you really need the money for a roadbike and you really want to swap to the road. I think you would regret selling.
seems to me like it is poorly worded but reasonable request that you stop riding trails you know you shouldn't ride, followed by usual OTT reaction from MTBers who think they can ride rough shod over any rule they don't like.
I would also suggest that it could also be interpreted as a fair first step in case of future civil action against any one who does cause damage, you can no longer use the defence that the land owner ( or their agent ) had not asked you to stop your activity so you assumed permission by default and as such they can claim to have been fair in their actions in so much as they issued warnings before taking any legal action. ( Just a thought )
If you are being cheeky or taking the piss... DON'T BLOODY SHOUT ABOUT IT ON STRAVA or whatever.
You got a letter telling you off, all quite reasonable.
A local road descent that passes playgrounds, in a small village, narrow, pretty damned dangerous.... Starva leader board had 40mph averages in 30mph village. With names and pictures against the leaders. This was noticed by the villagers, and didn't do the local cycling community any good.
Do us all a favour and don't publish illegal rides.
don't strava secret covert trails, unless you want hundreds to turn up and blow it.
If you are poaching trails, leave no trace, wear dark colours, be a trail ninja..... And don't detail it on interweb FFS
The letter wasn't that threatening. Threatening is when you are three hours into an XC route in the back hills of oregon and you come across a family having a picnic where the dad is shooting at salmon in the water with a shotgun -outside the salmon season at that. We turned back.
As well as the "don't publish your plans to break the law" tactic, there's another one: have lots of people publish their plans to do the route, experience of it, how much they want to come back, etc. This would generate so many false positives they'd be overloaded with work.
You could probably even generate fake Strava traces if you wanted. Though once you know how to spoof garmin traces you'd do it just be KoTM of all the road climbs in your area.
You are perfectly within your rights to write back (recorded delivery) stating that any further correspondance will be deemed as entering into contract with a £10,000 fee per letter received.
They're well within their rights to send the letter like and under the civil laws of trespass they can attempt a civil prosecution. I very much doubt it would get anywhere in court with the evidence they have. I think few if any prosecutions ever occur for trespass of this kind anyway.
If they don't want you riding on their land, that's that. Though I support a push to more open access on bikes to land that's obviously available to the public for any other purpose, including horse riding. I'm a fan of cheeky riding too if it's causing no harm.
Have to admit I'm conflicted between using the likes of Strava and publishing less legitimate trails, though more because so many people are turning up now to try the trails and things are getting to breaking point in places.
[b]boxelder[/b]
Principle
Part V Criminal Justice and Public Order Act 1994 (CJPOA) s 61-80 conferred powers on the police and created offences in connection with various forms of trespass, including:mass trespass
trespass by hunt saboteurs
trespass by squatters
nuisance caused by raves.The Act also introduced powers to direct trespassers to leave land and amended existing legislation in relation to the use of violence to secure entry to premises.
Curious that mess trespass is now an offence. I didn't know that.
I assume that's to stop a repeat of what the walkers achieved. They did a mass trespass and won all the public rights of way for themselves.
Seriously been thinking we need a similar act for bikes, but if it's an offence now that makes it illegal, not just an irritation that the government would be forced to give in to (though unlike walkers we're not well represented in the wider community and government).
he will run out of cash & the house will be bought by the National trust
and you think that'd make access easier?
The CJB wasn't aimed at mountain bikers or walkers, it was a heavy-handed attempt to stop things like road protests, hunt saboteurs and raves.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criminal_Justice_and_Public_Order_Act_1994
Perhaps just find out the postcodes of the estate and add them to your privacy zone on strava. That way you can still have your data but not publish it for everyone to see.
Then you'd get no leaderboard for the segments in that zone. Same as if you just make the ride private.
Which makes the point of Strava, pointless.
Though I've argued that we need group level privacy for rides so they can be published just to members of a private group, you get a leaderboard between friends and see the routes, but the public can't. You'd not get the leaderboard for the rest of the public on those routes, and that's fine. I'm not in it to compete with the hoards of weekend warriors and the top pros I can never compete with. I'm just out for a social ride with friends, have a laugh, not really trying to compete but it's useful just to see later how you are doing compared to the rest of the group, where you can improve, etc.
[i]If you are being cheeky or taking the piss... DON'T BLOODY SHOUT ABOUT IT ON STRAVA or whatever.[/i]
+1
Keep it reasonable. If you're on cheeky trails, don't upset the locals or anyone for that matter. We live in an age of knee jerk reaction and no riders want to see favourite trails either sanitised, barred or out of action/bounds from a mtb related incident(s)
Mtb'ing is on the increase with new people coming in. It's places like this where they learn the ropes
I would urge anyone to just not post their routes of cheeky trails
So you rode on land that is privately owned and shouldn't have been there, then bragged about it all over the interwebs??
Should be grateful you only got a letter.
Actions like this are doing cycling no favours.
If you ride cheeky trails keep quiets. Simples.
Threatening is when you are three hours into an XC route in the back hills of oregon
nah, threatening is riding in the Appalachians in Pennsylvania, and when you finally get out onto an exposed bit of old railway line realising you have been tracked throught the woods for the last hour by heavily armed, fully camo'ed-up local loony militia...
I'm not sure what's worse; doing something you shouldn't and being numb enough to stick it on the internets, or threatening people by post when you don't really know what you're talking about.Reply by post telling him to stop the harrassment and he shouldn't believe everything he reads on the internet.
And maybe if you're riding cheeky trails, don't advertise the fact?
THIS
You cannot ride there legally and he does not like the fact
He may be an ass and so may the law but that does not mean you[ our community] should behave like one as well.
Wow, seen it all now.
Someone wants routes of this area, which is quite a sensitive area for riding due to various landowners, to further try and annoy the landowner.
Thanks for starting the desctruction of my local riding scene.
He may be an ass and so may the law but that does not mean you[ our community] should behave like one as well.
One of the best uses of Ctrl C & Ctrl V I have ever done. Well said, Junky.
Rather than antagonising him further people should be looking to minimise confrontation.
If its not an area you ride then leave well alone?
I don't know; isn't it by being antagonistic, persistent and confrontational that the right to roam was gained? Not saying that this is directly comparable, but I have very little sympathy for landed gentry, and the sensitive area argument is irrelevant unless the OP is blazing new trails or digging, which I doubt is the case. An established trail is an established trail, whether it be walked, rode or um, horsed.
I'm predicting a ban for someone.
Harry_the_Spider - Member
I'm predicting a ban for someone.
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