[Closed] Anyone doing the Cheddar Gorge Challenge (16 May 2010)?

Hi gothandy, We will be publishing the routes on our website this weekend,

www.cheddarchallenge.com

and on our Facebook page

Hope that helps

Yeah, its a corking route with stunning views & epic singletrack, flowing downhill sections & lactic climbs! Cant say too much (its secret) other than i know a 'freind' 😉 who has done it!
lots of us 'locals' are doing it mainly because we know the area & what it has to offer. without a doubt its gonna be a cracking days ride & the event of the season...cant wait 😀

Yup, entered and looking forward to it - but never been before and not sure what to expect.

Anything we should know re tyre recommendations for the 58km ride? Any potential quagmires?
Have a choice of nobby nics, fast freds, conti-mountain kings.

I've ridden a bit in the area and if wet can get very muddy.. not sure what its like now, i imagine pretty good if compared to how ashton court in bristol is..

my girlfriends taking the car away for the weekend... anyone ablt to offer a lift from bristol? she should be back to pick me up afterwards so you wouldnt have to wait all day for me to finish!

nics.

So, have we asked (or even spoken to) any of the landowners for permission yet?

I know you'll say that you don't need to ask as it's all on bridleways, but surely it's courteous (and positive PR) to do so to keep on the good side of the mentioned landowners.

The National trust (Owners or the crook peak to wavering down section) have been doing quite a bit of erosion control (costing 10s of £1000) directly on the route you've chosen. have you talked to them about this? are you going to make a donation to (them or any of the other landowners (most of whom are charities)) to rectify any damage done if it's wet?

How do you explain the sections on footpaths (through the cheddar wood SSSI reserve and Lynchcombe lane)? I know the cheddar path is a permissive bridleway, but like the name suggests, it is only permissive, giving the landowners (SWT) the option to remove this permission (or remove cyclists from the permission) without any notice.

You say you have permission from the AONB, but they are not the landowners and have no jurisdiction over what happens on other peoples land. they are just an overseeing authority.

My main concern is that the week after the CLIC (which neil has spent the last 10+ years constantly negotiating access to allow that fantastic event to go ahead), this event will be seen by many to be the same as the CLIC and what with the access issues mentioned has the risk of jeopardising all of the amazing work that team has done.

A load of mountain bikers riding / racing on footpaths and through nature reserves; that's really going to do the public image of the local MTB community a whole heap of good; don't you think??

I am generally in favour and behind the event as like you said, it is raising money for charity. But, whilst it could have been an excellent bit of PR for the local MTB community, these little indiscretions have the possibility of putting the public image of the Mendip mountain biker back to where it was 20 years ago.

I was wondering when the alleged lack of planning was going to show up.
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I was wondering when the alleged lack of planning was going to show up.
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Andy hopefully negotiations have been done otherwise those of us like me and you who have mountain biked the Mendips for 25 years or more could see a negative response to our continued use of the hills

I'm sure Pete's done the public relations legwork.

yes my precious, one trail to rule them all, precious isn't it

I'm sure Pete's done the public relations legwork.

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morning Andy

Seems to be an awful lot of road riding on that MTB route too. Looks a bit dull!

yeah, we all know the good stuff on Mendip is mostly cheek though, don't we.
😉

Not if you can map read !!

Personally, i've never figured out this thing about paying loads of money so you can ride the same trails you would anyhow (except the footpaths and SSSIs). Not really into this riding like a flock of sheep thing.

Any how, i noticed there was no reply to the question about the landowners permission being sought???

As Edric said, it is quite ironic how most mountainbikers nowadays seemingly cant read a map and seem to rely on GPS routes 😉

Yeah, its a corking route with stunning views & epic singletrack

Who's bitter? Not I. I'd rather have a thatchers 😀

Thatchers is on a nice cycle path, better than an A road

Why do these events cost so much to enter?

An 80 mile audax (complete with marshals, feee lunch, tea and cake plus certificates etc) only costs £7 to enter and the Save the Children (charity) walk last week across the top of the mendips was under a fiver complete with signs and marshals along the whole 30 mile route??

Just a thought 😉

Thanks for your thoughts...got anything positive to add?

"As Edric said, it is quite ironic how most mountainbikers nowadays seemingly cant read a map and seem to rely on GPS routes "

Dude, if I use a GPS it's because it's a pain to ride, then stop 5 min later to read the map, then ride again, then stop another 5 min to read the map, then ride , then stop another 5 min to read the map, then wonder if it's the right BW, am i going to annoy this farmer if I am at the wrong place? etc...I tried several maps holder and they don't work on a mtb bike.

Thanks for your thoughts...got anything positive to add?

Best riding in the area (if you can zone through the road sections)
cracking views
nice weather (hopefuly)
All the best trails on mendip will be empty
loads raised for charity
MTBers get to meet climbers and vice versa
Chance to meet and ride with new people

BUT.......

See, I tried 😉

Why do these events cost so much to enter?

Didnt actually mean this event in particular, as £20 is one of the more reasonable fees ive seen over the years. not unusual to pay twice that much these days and seeing that it's all going to charity then all's good.

I can remember back in the day when Edrics young'n (who's now a 6ft student) wanted to enter a kids race and it was over a tenner to ride twice round a field with no prizes, now that was a rip off!

I'd suggest that none of the above routes take in the best riding in Mendips 😉

The most obvious but not the best.....

Totaly agree, but was trying to be "positive" ;D

Probably for the best as us locals like to keep our trails secret from the masses.

I'm a bit annoyed that i'm away now till after the weekend. i never even got started on the rant about the road ride. hey ho.

So Andy the bit that concerns you is the footpath to callow hil quarry from Yeo valley which of course you can't cycle on or am I mistaken about the route? surely no one would organise an event that used a footpath?

Thats a permissive bridleway no?

permissive for horses as far as I know I think the access was negotiated by the Mendip byways and bridleways people

Just got back from the event, and dispite the weather had a cracking time, most enjoyable. Road sections really didn't spoil things, and as for being the odvious bits of the Mendips, still plenty of stuff I hadn't ridden on before. Thanks also to all the smiling faces on the food and water stops, always very welcome, and thanks also to the local who knew that way, without him I'd have spent an extra hour map reading.

Cool, glad it all went well.

Thankfully the weather was nowhere near as bad as forecast.

Many people turn up? i know loads that were planning on entering on the day depending on the weather.

See, you cant beat a local 🙂

50 entered the 58km route, not sure about the other distances.

Results are already out on their website, very efficent!

[url= https://www.raceplus.co.uk/raceplus-index.php?content=1&event_id=CHEGOR&event_id=CHEGOR ]Cheddar Grorge Challange Results[/url]

I am really pleased to say that the whole event, course and atmosphere were brilliant. The weather was not at its best, but that is what we come to expect in this part of the world.
Despite the obstructive, negative and bigoted view of some local people who either don't enjoy riding with new people or are not generally accepted, I would expect next years event to attract many more individuals and family groups to the area for the ride and the local hospitality.
I am a local, possibly the local referred to above. I have ridden the Mendips for the past 25 years and I have to say that there were areas that I had not previously ridden and certainly trails that I had not ridden in the same direction. The road sections were mostly quiet lanes with the added bonus of the all inclusive feed stations.
Well done to the organisers of the Cheddar Gorge Challenges.
By the way, it is legal to ride any public or permissive path unless it specifically states "No Cycling" It is illegal to ride on the pavement.
See you all next year - A Loacal

It Was a well organised day. Congrats to Sue + David who sorted it.

Painless sign on. Great flapjack, smiley faces. New folk to ride with.
Some top trails and once the cloud had lifted some good views.
The route sheet was spot on to follow so didnt pay attention to the lack of direction arrows(which i reckon arent needed for a Randonee event)

I almost cleaned the climb of Crook Peak ! will have to try again some time.
what might seem a shout route (58K) included 4,601 ft up and 4,659 ft down.

The Roadies i spoke to after seened to have a good time on the Sportive route also

Stumpjupmer-53

Nice to see a positive comment on this event, it seems a very small proportion of people of the local cycling community were hell bent on trying to make it fail for whatever their own twisted reasons. Despite the way markers being removed, the event went very well.
Dave & Sue put a lot of hard work into the event, but it was Pete who organised the MTB randonee route, route cards & was putting up way markers well into the night on Saturday after working the whole day in the shop. Then up in the hills again at 6am Sunday morning to finish off & double check. So a huge pat on the back to him.
I have spoken to many people who rode the event & all had positive comments & all were keen to attend next years event...if there is one.
People who get off their arses & try & put on events for the benefit of others, giving up their own free time & effort should be supported, not verbally attacked on a forum FFS.
So Stumpjupmer-53, thanks again for your support & if your ever in Wells........ i'll buy you a pint 😉

[sits back with a bottle of Spanish red & waits for the onslought - opinions, spelling, grammar - bring it on 😯

" I almost cleaned the climb of Crook Peak "

The you sir are cycling god. I would not even contemplate attempting the lower part. Well done.

I was really glad to hear all went off well. I'm always in favour of cyclists doing cycling things so long ad they do it legaly and don't upset (to many) people.

I was away on holiday that weekend otherwise would probably have ridden the road event. All the people I know that road either said they had a great time.

My concerns were that parts of the route were going over quite sensitive areas which although we ride all the time, the potential of loads of bikes in bad weather could have done serious damage. Thankfuly none has been reported.

Anyhow, well done to pete for sorting it all out (especialy given what he's done yo himself moving shop) and well dine to dave and sue for getting a bit of weight behind things.

Anyhow, just a couple of points: I take it whoever it was that used the word bigoted was aiming it at me. Sorry if you felt that way, but I was just airing my concerns. As old G.B. did lady week, you seemed to use the word in the wrong context 🙂

As for whoever it was (stumpjumper?) that said you can ride anywhere so long as there's not a no cycling sign I'm afraid that you are wrong and I'll informed. If you take the time to read the highway code, it clearly states that footpaths are ONLY for passage on foot (and it specifies NO BIKES), bridleways are for foot travel, cycles and horse drawn vehicles up to 5'5" wide and restricted byways have many of the same rules as a country lane. You don't seriously expect there to be a sign on every bit of every footpath do you?

Rule 64
You MUST NOT cycle on a pavement.
[Laws HA 1835 sect 72 & R(S)A 1984, sect 129]

Is not the same thing. Which clauses and/or laws in the HW code are you referring to?

Shame there was also the Black Rat Sportive on the same day in the same area - too many choices, only one day. Perhaps more coordination between the two events next year might avoid competing events.

Ah well Andy at least Gordon Brown didn't call you a bigot!!

:-/ just to hopefully clear-up this footpath thing, here'e one of the clearer definitions i could find on the web without going through legal terminology and copying old college text books:

http://www.doncaster.gov.uk/leisure_in_doncaster/outdoor_life/public_rights_of_way/frequently_asked_questions_-_public_rights_of_way.asp#Question2

hope that answers your questions and clears it all up.

I don't normally post more than once on a forum thread, however this time I had to rise to the challenge and make it clear I am not ill informed. In fact I make up my own view and do not follow that of others.
So Andy Ch and Edric 64 If your views were not bigoted you would listen to reason and stop nagging on about your precious cause.
As for cycling on footpaths, I was not talking about the definitions, I was talking about the law! Please read the following.

[i]Cycling on footways (a pavement at the side of a carriageway) is prohibited by Section 72 of the Highway Act 1835, amended by Section 85(1) of the Local Government Act 1888. This is punishable by a fixed penalty notice of £30 under Section 51 and Schedule 3 of the Road Traffic Offenders Act 1988.

Cyclists have no right to cycle on a footpath away from the road but only commit an offence where local by-laws or traffic regulation orders create such an offence.

It is important to note that most legislation relating to 'cycling on footpaths' actually relates to the riding of cycles on a 'footway set aside for the use of pedestrians' which runs alongside a road. For example, the 'fixed penalties' brought in a few years ago do NOT apply to country footpaths where there is no road. Fixed penalty notices also cannot be applied to areas such as parks, shopping precincts etc. unless a byelaw has been passed making cycling such areas an offence, nor do they apply to anyone under 16. Many people (including police officers) seem to think that 'a footpath is a footpath' wherever it is and that the same laws apply. This is not the case.
The primary legislation which makes cycling on a footway an offence is section 72 of the 1835 Highways Act, this provides that a person shall be guilty of an offence if he "shall wilfully ride upon any footpath or causeway by the side of any road made or set apart for the use or accommodation of foot-passengers or shall wilfully lead or drive any carriage of any description upon any such footpath or causeway."
Section 85 of the Local Government Act 1888 extended the definition of "carriage" to include "bicycles, tricycles, velocipedes and other similar machines."
The object of Section 72 Highways Act 1835 was intended not to protect all footpaths, but only footpaths or causeways by the side of a road, and that this is still the case has been ruled in the high court. The legislation makes no exceptions for small wheeled or children's cycles, so even a child riding on a footway is breaking the law. However, if they are under the age of criminal responsibility they cannot, of course, face prosecution.[/i]

I have nothing more to say on this matter as I am going out on my bike to ride dusty Mendip trails in the sun.

Hear hear stump-juniper. Go get dusty.

Section 85 of the Local Government Act 1888 extended the definition of "carriage" to include "bicycles, tricycles, velocipedes and other similar machines."

bloody Victorians 🙂

The object of Section 72 Highways Act 1835 was intended not to protect all footpaths, but only footpaths or causeways by the side of a road, and that this is still the case has been ruled in the high court.

So away from the side of a road footpaths are in 😀

FWIW we had a great day out - miserable weather for most of the mornings & struggled with the navigation in places - my app reckons I spend over one-and-a-half hours stationary ! (and I am reasonably competent with a map!!) ... but I understand the issues that the organisers have down there with some of the locals.

Did I enjoy the riding & will I be back next year - definitely yes...

Thanks to all concerned for a good day out.

Thats ok then so we will all ride through sssi sites and other sensitive country areas and undo good work that has been done.Remember the countryside is not our playground it all belongs to someone and is by and large a working environment.Better to approach Landowners before hand and ask permission to ride stuff ,they don't all 12 bore you first you know.

Is a Stumpjupmer a bicycle rather like a Stumpjumper or is it the pram I found when I googled jupmer?

I was going to detail loads of things here, but there are people who would have got all hit up and started name calling again (which most if us grew out of 25 years ago)

anyhow, I don't see why you were quoting from a victorian version of an act that is reviewed on average every 10 years. The countryside and rights of way act 2000 clearly states all the facts I've been stating. A link to it is here:

http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2000/ukpga_20000037_en_1

please don't try and argue this as like you say, you work in IT and I have worked in and around the enviromental sector for the past 13 years.

My point in the begining if this thread was the simple question of did anybody have the simple courtesy to ask the people who manage this land if you could use their resourse. I know you don't have to, but courtesy goes a long way.

People always moan about angry farmers, but does anyone ever think why.

You probably won't get arested for riding on a footpath, but you can gave civil action taken against you fir amongst others; trespass, agrivated trespass (which is also a legal mater where you were asked to leave and didn't or were told not to go and did). You can be done for criminal damage and worst case, if there is a group of you then you can be done for holding meeting under the trespass and public order laws.

There are a group of riders around wells who insist on riding around arthurs point (Milton hill). This is private land owned by a friend of mine. Please can whoever it is stop doing it as it is causing me grief with my friends. I have an idea who it is, but don't want to get involved.

PS, I think people are also getting confused by the diference between a footpath (pavement) and a public footpath but if you read the CROW act then all will become clear.

Sorry Andych but that last statement was utter botox & throws into doubt anything else you have written........ there is no way on earth that you have any friends 😉

What I was pointing out was that the laws stupijumper was quoting was A: out of date and B: covering surfaced pavements and not public footpaths in the countryside. I seem to have managed to have provided the correct information through a simple bit if resarch and knowledge rather than just hitting the copy and paste button as seems the norm here.

If you really want to get into rights of way law, then a footpath is the one on the definative map that OS show as either a red or green dotted line. These are PROWs. If a path does not feature this line, then you do not necicaraly have any right to walk or ride on it. This can be the case through private woods, forestry comm land and through housing estates etc.

If you want to start quoting archaic laws from 150 years ago then there is one that sugests that if you are trespasing on land with equipment other than that appropriate to your situation. Then that equipment can be siezed and disposed of by the landowner. This HAS happened to a motocross bike that was stopped on blackdown when I worked with the wardens and I belive has happened a couple of times on the quantocks.

Can't be bothered with this anymore. It's gone so far from my original civil question that I seem to be having arguments with people I don't know who can't even use their real names!!