[Closed] Any Electricians/Electric Distributors Out There?

tbh your are screwed they will get you

how does the power come into your house is it on overhead power lines if so you should have a earth spike ( called a TT system ) that is your responsability
or
On the telegraph poles is there a red label about 10 ft up the post with PME on it then the electricity board could supply a earth but that will no doubt cost

If the cables come underground then the board should supply a earth called TNS where the sheath of the suppply cable is used as a earth and electrician can do that for you

if you live in the Taunton area I would happily have a look, but You NEED IT DONE ASAP

I would happily have a look if your in the Nottingham area, i work with my father and have done for 12 years the business was started in '88 if we were doing the work we would sort out the application with central networks for you to have a PME installed where the supply comes into your building this is called a TN-C-S earthing system and is around £180, but the price seems to go up as and when they feel like it, you could also have a TN-S earthing system fitted central networks will do this but again there will be a charge of £180ish. Whilst the incoming supply to the building is the property of the elctricity board and only they are allowed to do any work on it they wont come and upgrade your earth without you asking them to, and by the way that £180 job takes 1 guy about 10 minutes, its an absolute scandal. Make sure any electrician you have do any work is part p registered, if he isnt he shouldnt be doing ANY work on a domestic property.

Part P are you sure to do "any work" 😉

Well certainly no electrical work!

With ENW, they dont have to supply an earth but I would say 99.9% of customers are supplied with one.
Is your problem that you dont have an earth coming in to the property or that the one coming in has a bad "earth loop resistance". If there is one supplied I would guess the supplier should maintain/fix it if it is faulty.

Hilton83

Thats me buggered then 30years experiance C&G236 1 & 2, inspection and test 15th 16th and 17th.

But I need to call someone in to work in my bathroom and kitchen 🙄

er MY ARSE

Above post why dont you register for part P just out of intrest

I expects it depend how much domestic work saladdodger expect / want to do.

Suppose, I'm registered with the NICEIC as Approved contractor status, i showed a comercial job 3 phase etc and a domestic rewire when i had my last yearly visit so as i showed a domestic job which was compliant of course i was given part P, so it's ok being a "qualified electrician" but being registered and being the qualified supervisor shows the best level of technical knowledge and practical skill me thinks

why well tbh I do not work on domestic properties but commercial and when I did do domestic work the company I worked for was building control registered.

So for example one contract I was on was the building of a dental practice in Devon,I was the only electrician bar 2 apprentices on the site and I did everything from start to finish including the testing. I was at the time the company NICEIC coordinator.

Yet officially I cannot do my own house 😕

Yes I am doing things to it ( with not a single ring main installed ) but what I will do is go to building control with all the test certification and go for retrograde planning permission

Building control are suffering cutbacks as it is, so they cannot police everything and the rumor on the grape vine is Part P may well be scrapped

Lets be honest all the regs in the world do nothing if you can get all the kit you need from B&Q etc and just for the record I do not do any private work after a week at work I have had enough

Lets be honest all the regs in the world do nothing if you can get all the kit you need from B&Q etc

Yes very true i was browsing wicks and noticed they have leaflets on how to replace a socket which lets be honest is simple to a spark but what about a zs test as a minimum which non sparks cant do. I explained this to a customer as how important this is as it was a class I socket, i could go on for hours about it ....

But alas you got yer feet wet

of all the tests in my mind the Zs is the most important and try explaining that a RCD fails a x1 test and then get told its ok cos it works on the test button

yep you are right it could be a long night

To be classed as a part p competent person isnt all about demonstrating you knowledge and technical ability with electrical installations it also covers where you can and can not run your cables within the fabric of the building,so its not just about people wiring it all up right but also making sure that during the installation your not altering the integrity of the buildings fabric, ie the strentgh of the floor joists. There is becoming a very distinct line between domestic commercial and industrial.
Something thats going on which is wrong is people having non part p compliant electricians doing the work then getting a part p registered company to test it and provide the correct paperwork, that electrician is then breaking the law as he hasn't seen the work does comply with part p, as most of what your looking for (the design and construction charictaristics) are buried within the fabric of the building.
In terms of preventing the general public (cowboys) from buying electrical goods there is a law on its way which will ban the general public from being able to buy it, they can go and pick the lights/switches/sockets they want and pay for them, they will then be reserved for collection by thier electrician who must show his current ecs card to take the items away.

yea yea yea part P

I bet the police are realy interested in a non part P electrician doing his own wiring

So I am breaking the law and the blue lights are flashing

Does that give me a criminal record 🙄

what about Table 1 of part P work that need not be notified to building control ??

Like i said part p has a lot to do with making sure people carrying out work on a domestic property are not affecting the structural integrity of the building, none of which will be affected by any of the items in table one, im pretty sure as a side note it goes on to explain the items in table one dont need part p certification if circuit charicteristics dont change, conducter sizes, coninuity of cpc's and such. None of the items in table 1 are what you would call an addition or alteration. The guy asking for help with this thread mentioned he needed a complete rewire amongst other things, i was simply pointing out to him that he needs to get the right people in for the job so he doesnt incur futher costs or headaches further down the line, say when he comes to sell the property whenever that could be or for home insurance purposes. Not a lot of people know this, if he was having a boiler replaced im sure he would have a gas safe registered person do the work, but then unlike part p gas safe/corgi has been around a while and people are more aware of the dangers of gas explosions/carbon monoxide poisening . As far as i can tell burning in my bed because of an electrical fault is just as unpleasant.

There's a lot of misunderstandings about Part P...
Firstly, not all work is notifiable to building control under Part P. An extension to a circuit such as a new light, moving a switch etc isn't, unless it's in a special location like a kitchen or bathroom. Despite this, all tests should be carried out!
As for a DIYer doing their own notifiable wiring, that's absolutely fine. But, you have to tell building control who'll charge you £200+ to come and inspect it. And they'll want to see your test results. The good thing about this is that, if you're successful and depending on the local authority, they usually allow you to notify work for the next couple of years - though some may require a building notice fee to be paid.
And I'm Part P registered through ELECSA. Wouldn't touch NICEIC as their main aim appears to be to make money rather than represent electricians. Mate of mine rang NICEIC's technical help line a while ago asking about a complex job and was told "if you don't know that you shouldn't be an electrician". That's what you pay your subs for! (Currently about £450/year with ELECSA)

Hilton83 I agree with your last comments the bottom line is safety

Bang on about people will play with electrics but will not touch gas which you can smell unlike electricity which gives no warning before it all goes wrong

I have had a belt or 2 in my time and it is not pleasant as I am sure you are well aware and I have seen the results of cost cutting safety and a small child never saw it's first birthday. That was the worst testing job I ever did with the baby's rocker still next to the socket that took it's life ( I confess I cried whilst doing that test)

Bottom line [b][u]IF YOU ARE NOT SURE OF WHAT YOU ARE DOING PLEASE DO NOT DO IT ELECTRICITY CAN AND DOES KILL[/b][/u]

Hmmmm NICEIC thats a registered charity 🙄

Registered charity? So's my local Hunt! As far as I'm concerned I'd only register with ELECSA or NAPIT. Both helpful, both more reasonably priced.