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Been out tonight for just over an hour and done nearly 19 miles and feel lot more comfortable on the road bike so thanks to everyone on my last thread who gave me advice.
This is probably a silly question but I've 2 water bottles on the bike and I drank one on tonight's ride so, that would give me roughly 40 miles off 2 bottles.
I've never seen a roadie with a lock and chain on their bike so how do they go about refilling ? Pop into a petrol station with the bike ?
I think of the most random things and I'm probably drinking too much, but I'd like to go further. I can think of a "butty van" I could stop at but that's about it without leaving the bike unlocked somewhere.
50 mile = 1x 750ml bottle for me, and I'm shit.
You don't need as much as you think.
You'll sweat less as you get fitter.
Proper roadies don't risk leaving their bikes outside shops or garages; they leave them outside cyclist cafes where they think they'll be safe - e.g. the cafe in Scorton, Lancashire.
If I am doing over about 30 miles without a stop then 2 bottles, otherwise just the one.
For just over an hour, you don't really need to drink at all. If you're out for several hours you do need to maintain hydration pretty much from the start but not for an hour (or even two) IMO. Try rinking less and see what happens
Hydrate before you go out
(Wear a camelbak if you're struggling; it's not the roadie-crime it's made out to be)
One bottle per 30-50 miles depending on weather. My bike stays by my side. Even in cafes.
Edit, for locking, I carry a very small Kryptonite Keeper 512 lock. It will lock three bikes to something for an "instant grab" attempt. Used it when we stopped for fish and chips on Brighton seafront for the club run.
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(I broke one with my bare hands once!)
Must admit, the lock thing is something i'm stressing about as i've my new Colnago arriving tomorrow and i'm wondering how to carry a lock - and where to find one that is both small enough and effective enough to lock up a bike for a few minutes.
Put the camelback under your jersey for extra aero benefit.
depends on weather, did 135miles a month or so back, two standard bottles, stopped at a couple of garages to top up with water. and downed a can of coke somewhere in the forest of dean when i started to die.
As for locks, never leave the bike out of site and more than a couple of seconds away at all times. If i do have to leave it more than a couple of seconds away, screw the gearing up before you leave it.
Two bottles (and a coffee stop) do me for most rides, anywhere up to about 70/80 miles. Electrolyte tablets or energy drinks help with hydration.
It depends on a few factors: weather, effort, etc...but beyond 80 miles I can drink considerably more.
I usually ride pretty remote areas and popping in to cafes and shops isn't normally a problem because the only other people about are cyclists, walkers and the odd farmer. Have ran into petrol stations before though...plenty of eyes and cameras about.
I have something like:
or
...but I've never used it! Of course if you can cycle with someone you find a cafe with outside seating and take it in turns to pop in. Also round here there are quite a few snack caravans at the side of the road so you can grab a tea or can of Coke etc. May I suggest the [url= https://www.facebook.com/ParkLifeHebdenBridge/info ]Pavillion Cafe[/url] in the park in Hebden Bridge...it's only small but you will never be more than a couple of meters from your bike.
I need a lock i can comfortably carry in a jersey pocket - any reccomendations?
LOL at the "1 bottle for a century - in the Sahara" and "hydrate before you ride" crowd!
I used to take two bottles out, now I just drink an entire water bottle before going out, and just take one. 40-60 sort of mile rides, 2-2.5 hours.
Stick zero tablets in every bottle, go through a bonkers amount of it at the moment, doing a couple of hundred miles a week.
...of course those locks won't stop anybody with even the simplest cutters but they might stop an opportunistic thief just jumping on and riding away.
Cheers fubar, something like that is what i'm looking for. I obviously won't be leaving it unobserved for more than a couple of minutes even when locked, but i've a healthy fear of not locking my bikes up.
go on then al - 3hr ride; what terrible fate would befall an initially well-hydrated rider who then went out and rode for 3hrs on 2x750ml ?
Last week I was out for a 25 mile warm hilly ride and decided to extend it. Got home on about 45 a bit thirsty after one bottle with zero tab in, but could have done with more. As per earlier post, 30 miles per bottle is my average, always with a zero tab per bottle too.
Ride with one to two bottles based on length of ride, 40m+ or v hot weather equals two bottles.
On the topping up front use garages and cafés and leave whoever I'm with outside with the bikes. If I cant leave someone next to my bike I trust then
I drop the chain off the chainrings so it wont pedal and
Clip my helmet through the wheel (wrap the straps around a couple of times) to stop the wheels going round
Imo the type of locks I would be willing to carry are no stronger than my helmet straps !
Some, that's SOME roadies seem to think that there's a kind of heroicism in riding without sufficient water.
Like much established roadie 'lore', it's pure bollocks designed to intimidate outsiders and make riding a bike as unpleasant as possible - something to be endured rather than enjoyed.
See also unecessarily low stems & stupidly high gearing.
I usually take two bottles.
If you don't need that much, so what? It's not a race, is it?
Better safe than sorry.
And, as above, a small lock if on my own so I can fill up at pubs, caffs or petrol stations.
In the recent hot weather I can easily do in 5/6 bottles in a 80/90 miler and still be dehydrated as measures by my post ride weight.
I go by the Sky advice, drink when your thirsty, drink when your not thirsty and drink when your not sure if your thirsty or not.
On my own I would use a poundland lock perhaps but usually only stop in a rural general store type places which don't present much of a theft risk or better still ride in a group.
Hydration beforehand definitely does help. My longer rides are generally early morning, and I always have to force it down a bit (same with my porridge - never had a big appetite in the morning), but usually don't feel the need for a drink until about 20 miles in after that. Just don't overdo it or you'll be stopping every 20 mins for some relief...
If you ride to Windsor, don't even think of leaving your bike. Anywhere! No lock you can carry on a road bike is resistant to our local scum, who are well tooled and immune to public opprobrium. The cable lock I carry will just about prevent the brazen snatch and ride of a collector's item £9K Specialized road bike that took place in broad daylight at Eton Bridge outside a cafe in front of a group of riders last year.
You've been warned...
Some, that's SOME roadies seem to think that there's a kind of heroicism in riding without sufficient water.Like much established roadie 'lore', it's pure bollocks designed to intimidate outsiders and make riding a bike as unpleasant as possible - something to be endured rather than enjoyed.
Then again, there are some who have realised and trained and ridden for long enough that we don't need to drink our own body weight in electrolyte drink largely because we know that it's just riding a bike. The 'I must fill my 3 litre Camelbak to the brim for a lap of Llandegla' crowd are equally at fault.
The idea that one should carry enough fluid to ride a thousand miles is a strange one. Take a bottle, take two if you want to; in the UK you are always near enough to a shop or a garage or a house or a stream so you can get water if you really need to.
I'm sure there are parallels with those who need to carry bottles of expensive water to walk around town, or those that need to visit Starbucks and carry a cup of coffee in order to function...
Then again, there are some who have realised and trained and ridden for long enough that we don't need to drink our own body weight in electrolyte drink largely because we know that it's just riding a bike.
Who said you needed to do that?
The 'I must fill my 3 litre Camelbak to the brim for a lap of Llandegla' crowd are equally at fault.
At fault of what?
Who do they harm?
Take a bottle, take two if you want to; in the UK you are always near enough to a shop or a garage or a house or a stream so you can get water if you really need to.
That's what I said. 🙂
Like much established roadie 'lore',
Give us some examples of this hateful behaviour then..
...and my top tip for refilling bottles is to stop at out-of-town petrol stations; buy a bottle of Coke/Pepsi and one of water and mix the two after de-fizzing the Coke; makes a fine sports drink.
Give us some examples of this hateful behaviour then..
I did in my op. 🙂
Oh, and not carrying a saddlebag.
That's bollocks as well. 😀
I've ridden with folk that seem to think they can't pass a shop without buying more water and then spend an equal amount of time looking for somewhere to have a pee.
On a 50 mile/3hr ride from home, I find one 750ml bottle to be sufficient. I might stretch to two for 75-80 miles. However, on a recent 26 hour trip I reckon I drank around 7 litres. That was un-naturally hot though and my consumption rate plummeted overnight when it was cooler.
Why would you take a fizzy juice, shake it up to lose the fizz and then water it down before drinking it ? Sounds like a good waste of a nice drink to me 🙂
[quote=crikey ] in the UK you are always near enough to a shop or a garage or a house or a stream so you can get water if you really need to.
Although it can be very difficult to source water during the night.
See also unecessarily low stems & stupidly high gearing.
Is that it?
See, in the past, old roadies used to race, so had bikes set up for racing, hence the low stem, and the gearing.
Neither of which were obligatory.
Neither of which were obligatory.
Shame they seem to forget that when answering newbie roadie questions on here 😀
See any [i]gearing/what should I carry on a road bike?[/i] thread.
Oh, and not carrying a saddlebag.
That's bollocks as well.
I love that you're still bitter about rule #29 🙂
(I sometimes use a saddle bag, don't tell anyone though. It's got rubbish velcro and it's made my shorts go bobbly.)
Examples please.
...and no, I don't think you need to carry a saddlebag. I've never used one; that's what pockets are for. If you use more than one road bike it would be a faff changing it over.
crikey - MemberExamples please.
...and no, I don't think you need to carry a saddlebag. I've never used one; that's what pockets are for.
I rest my [s] large Topeak Wedge[/s] case. 🙂
If you use more than one road bike it would be a faff changing it over.
Honestly, if you find the clips or straps on saddlebags that confusing, I'd suggest that your slammed stem has restricted the flow of blood to your brain 😀
Well I'm having a mini saddlebag on mine 😛
Mainly because i find a tube,chaintool,tyre levers,repair kit, wallet,keys, and phone a bit uncomfortable in my jersey pockets.
Plus, it means the essential kit is always on the bike instead of at home on the windowsill.
TBH i do this with both my camelbaks as well,each has a couple of tubes/multi tool/repair kit/chain tool/tyre levers etc so i know its always stocked.
🙂
Lets start with a smiley....
I don't slam my stem. Equally I don't try to ride a racing road bicycle like a bike I would ride to the shops, basket and all.
I don't use a saddlebag, or a saddlepack because I don't need to. I tried one back in about 1990, but it fell to bits and I am capable of carrying the things I need without using a bag.
In direct contravention of 'the rules', which are as anyone with intelligence realises, a humourous take on the idea of roadie seriousness, I also take a mini frame pump.
Now, is anything else upsetting you?
Noooo, you want a Carradice Camper Longflap.
Can't fit a picnic blanket, paperback, camera, tripod, flask and binoculars in a mini saddlebag.
Look nice on your Colonic, that.
Crikey, thanks for the smiley, I was beginning to get worried there for a minute.
As to 'The Rules', I've noticed that those who are the loudest in acknowledging their humourous intent are often the most ardent in their observance. 😉
Noooo, you want a Carradice Camper Longflap.
Can't fit a picnic blanket, paperback, camera, tripod, flask and binoculars in a mini saddlebag.
Oh, you're a [i]tourist[/i]... I see.
Ah, but my 'colonic' 😛 isn't a racing bike.
Its a Gran Fondo bike, whatever the bloody hell that means!
Oh, you're a tourist... I see.
I'm a cyclist. 🙂
Its a Gran Fondo bike, whatever the bloody hell that means!
It means 'big cake' in Esperanto.
What time are you expecting to hit Burnley on Saturday btw?
I finish work at 10ish in the morning.
Drop me an email if you want cake and we'll meet you for a spin.
There's a very nice caff on the canal just as you're going through Burnley.
picnic blanket, paperback, camera, tripod, flask and binoculars
Sounds more like dogging than cycling, but each to their own. 🙂
I like the saddlebag for loose change, keys and things that rattle around. If anything it's easier than putting stuff in your pocket, 2 Velcro straps and it's on another bike. It can all stay there between rides and things.
Didn't need cash today as it was a quick ride, so didn't take the bag. Gorilla taped my back door key to my phone :/
2 Velcro straps is easier than a pocket?
Did you miss the 'How to use pockets' lesson at school?
Crikey, I just think it's a bit sad that lots of people seem to have forgotten the words of a very great man:
Life moves pretty fast. If you don't stop and look around once in a while, you could miss it.
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So many of the 'new breed' of roadies seem to have bought into the whole TdF fantasist culture:
They have a race bike.
They have race kit.
They go on pretend, make believe races.
They do not race.
They often don't look like they are enjoying themselves, which is a hell of a shame considering all the money they've spent.
If they took a nice paperback and a picnic, their partner, had a nice chat and visited a couple of owl sanctuaries on the way, then maybe they wouldn't sell their bikes after a year because riding hurts all the time, they can't get up the hills, they get covered in crap in winter because their bike won't take mudguards and they feel like a failure.
I had a small [url= http://www.topeak.com/products/bags/AeroWedgePack_small_Velcro ]topeak saddle bag[/url] purely because I kept forgetting to put things in my pockets. Always fun getting a puncture miles from home, and realising you never put your pump, tube, repair kit etc in ones jersey pocket. With them all in a pack, that lives on the bike, problem solved.
crikey - Member2 Velcro straps is easier than a pocket?
Did you miss the 'How to use pockets' lesson at school?
Some of the time, I don't wear a 'cycling' jersey;
I use my bike to go shopping, pop out to see friends, go to the cinema, pop to the pub etc.
You know, as transport, rather than as a toy. 😉
2 Velcro straps is easier than a pocket?
Yeah, you read the rest right? I put everything in my bag, ride all week. Sadly I'm one of those modern hipsters that washes clothes after wearing them, so there's more faffing if I rely on pockets.
Just seems like a really irrational thing to dislike.
Some of the time, I don't wear a 'cycling' jersey
Good point, grabbed a mtb jersey first tonight (a mint sauce one!), only to realise it had no pockets. It was probably offensively flappy anyway, can't see it matters much on slow rides.
So many of the 'new breed' of roadies seem to have bought into the whole TdF fantasist culture:
They have a race bike.
They have race kit.
They go on pretend, make believe races.
They do not race.
They often don't look like they are enjoying themselves, which is a hell of a shame considering all the money they've spent.If they took a nice paperback and a picnic, their partner, had a nice chat and visited a couple of owl sanctuaries on the way, then maybe they wouldn't sell their bikes after a year because riding hurts all the time, they can't get up the hills, they get covered in crap in winter because their bike won't take mudguards and they feel like a
failure.
Yup.
That's why old roadies rule. We were doing it before all these monkeys turned up, and we've been doing it ever since.
We know you don't need ten litres of fluid to ride ten miles to the café, we know you don't need the latest and greatest technical jersey, we know that it's about the ride not the bike. We know that steel isn't real because when we started that was all there was. We know how to use toe clips and straps because when we started there was no alternative. We know that you can actually leave the house without a mobile phone. We know that helmets ain't all that.
We know this stuff because we lived it, and you don't know because you weren't there man.
We know this stuff because we lived it, and you don't know because you weren't there man.
I'm 44. 🙂
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In the old days anyone you saw riding a roadbike was a club rider or a tourer. Now they might be a mountain biker, or even someone who works in IT.
The good old days are gone.
Just don't say "[i]it were all fields when I were a lad[/i]" - unless you also rode Cyclocross 😀
I was 20 when I saw my first MTB - yellow it was.
They're alright, but they'll never catch on.
"it were all fields when I were a lad", ha, I remember when it were all factories...
saw one of these the other day in roof rack shop was tempted as a useful solution to the café stop / nip into shop / can't see bike problem but seems a bit bulky
catch 22 though
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personally I rarely carry two bottles especially if know getting a café stop
in winter use a screw cap "bottle" to carry a packdown rainjacket and flurovest in case weather changes
Petrol stations are good if run out of supplies you can usually just park bike against the window and see it whilst stocking up
Rusty Spanner - Member
I was 20 when I saw my first MTB - yellow it was.
They're alright, but they'll never catch on.
think that's because no one can decide on a wheel size that will actually work
To the OP take a camel back if your worried.
Oh and to the bloke who suggested you sweat less when you get fitter I call bollocks.
Surely as you get fitter you just go faster. I don't notice these pro riders doing a TdF stage on two bottles 😉
If I run out of water I've been known to knock on doors (usually farms) to get a refill if I'm not sure where I could get water next. In the mountains last year in France I ran out miles from anywhere and a kind farm lady not only filled the bottles but told me where the next two springs were on my route so I could refill from those.
As for leaving my bike outside, in Luxembourg outside the big towns it's safe enough but I still have the London mentality so it goes inside with me.
[i]Oh and to the bloke who suggested you sweat less when you get fitter I call bollocks[/i]
I always understood you sweated MORE as you got fitter - your body gets more efficent at cooling itself. That might be bollocks though.
Short rides i take one bottle but rarely drink much. Its there just in case of an impromptu detour. Longer than that i have a second bottle with milk and a few ice cubes (to go with the biscuits).
Adopts thousand yard stare ...We know this stuff because we lived it, and you don't know because you weren't there man.
100 mile club runs with a pub lunch and a cream tea on the way home
27 inch wheels
Oilskin capes
Alloy water bottles
Barts maps
Greenspot Nomad jackets
I was in the [s]SAS[/s] CTC you know.
Aaaaah nostalgia, it ain't what it used to be.
I've still got some 27" under my bench somewhere, praps they'll come back and I'll be uber niche (or something). I do ride a 96er, does that count?
Sorry, off topic.
I go by the Sky advice, drink when your thirsty, drink when your not thirsty and drink when your not sure if your thirsty or not.
I suggest you google Hyponatremia
+1 I sweated loads when I was a fat bastard, now I'm (comparatively) very fit I still sweat loads.Oh and to the bloke who suggested you sweat less when you get fitter I call bollocks.
"Waterlogged" by Noakes is an interesting read on the subject of endurance sport hydration, although it's a bit long winded and a google will probably provide you with the gist of it.
Reminds me of the time some years ago when Mrs gti and I were sitting by the road one hot day having a drink and an elderly couple on tourers with big saddlebags pootled past. They were dressed in tweed britches, wool socks and leather shoes and as they passed the elderly lady said to my wife in a quavering voice: "I don't know why you're drinking all that water; you'll only have to stop and get rid of it!"
Rusty Spanner - Seems we are scheduled to hit the burnley area between 10 and 11 am tomorrow if you'd like to meet us? 😀
Si, will give you a bell later to arrange, ok?
I'm working 'till 9 in the morning, but should have time to meet you for a spin before you depart sunny Burnley.
There will be cake.