[Closed] Another cyclist assualted....

[i]Must be some previous though....?[/i]

Previous what? Previous examples of being a cowardly piece of shit by the bloke?

Must be some previous though....?

Did you read the article? 🙂

Awaits post explaining that she was wearing a helmet cam and therefore clearly looking for trouble. 🙁

Definitely a cowardly move there.

From what I can glean from the vid she obviously gave him the finger, unless he knows her and they've had a previous sexual experience. Or maybe she performed a prostate exam on him at some point and he still hasn't come to terms with the intrusion...

[i]Awaits post explaining ...[/i]

Or maybe advice on her road positioning?

[i]she obviously gave him the finger[/i]
I certainly don't accompany giving someone the finger with the word "Please". Whatever she did, I very much doubt it was giving him the finger.
Still, good shot of his face off the cam. Hopefully her boyfriend/friends find him before the police do and give him a suitable "ticking off".

Previous.....

In that it's quite obvious that she said something to him that he took umbrage with...

It's really quite obvious if you read the article & watch the video......

That's not me excusing him - he's a lowlife & no mistake.

However, gobbing off is never a good idea, particularly if you're vulnerable.

Have we explored the 'London is just full of Nutters' theory?

[i]It's really quite obvious if you read the article & watch the video....[/i]

I ask again "previous" what?

Previously politely requesting not to be knocked off her bike, is all I can see/read.

You're confusing London with Brdaford there.

Read it & watch it - she obviously said something to upset him.

Can't see any reason in the vid or article why she felt the need to say 'please don't try to knock me off'. Didn't look like he was trying to at the moment she past him. Has to be a history. Perhaps he's a known 'character'? And I'm guessing she flicked him the bird from the finger comment. Doesn't excuse it but not the full story imo.

I certainly don't accompany giving someone the finger with the word "Please". Whatever she did, I very much doubt it was giving him the finger.

Neither do I but he responds to her "please" with an aggressive comment which I can't work out. I reckon, and it's just a guess, she flicks him a finger at that point. Might be wrong - see other suggestions above. 😉

Awaits post explaining that she was wearing a helmet cam and therefore clearly looking for trouble.

some people do find them antagonizing.

Did he really deserve a passive aggressive ticking off for crossing the road? It's not like he was going to walk into her, he was crossing behind her.

His actions aren't in any way right, but she did the equivalent of the short man squaring upto the biggest bloke in the bar and commenting on his mothers morals, then wondering why he's flat on his arse.

[i]why she felt the need to say 'please don't try to knock me off'[/i]

Looks to me like he's crossing the road in a dodging the traffic manner, she was concerned he didn't see her and those were the words she used to say "don't cross now". Anyway, the interpretation that "the cyclist did something to provoke" the assailant is something you always get on here, so you can argue that point between you. I'm flouncing

At @10 seconds he runs alongside & says something like "Come on then..."

She's plainly said/done something the camera hasn't caught.

Its a hideous & cowardly attack but sometimes it's best just to hold your tongue.

an aggressive comment which I can't work out

I was mistaken - he says "shut up" followed by something I can't make out. Probably stupid cow as that seems like the most appropriate colloquialism given the circumstance.

Its a hideous & cowardly attack [s]but sometimes it's best just to hold your tongue.[/s]

FTFY.

Awaits post explaining that she was wearing a helmet cam and therefore clearly looking for trouble.

some people do find them antagonizing.

can you explain that? I'll assume you're not meaning that you personally would feel antagonized by a camera-wearing female

Sounds to me like he says "shat ap you cant" or similar after she asks him not to knock her off, I can only assume this is when she flicks the finger.

Not sure why she would say, "please don't knock me off" unless she's had previous experience of it. But his reaction is bloody ridiculous and i reckon he only does it cos she's a she!!

Hope the Police get him, or he gets a slap off someone else.

At @10 seconds he runs alongside & says something like "Come on then..."

She's plainly said/done something the camera hasn't caught.

Seems much more likely he is a thug looking for an excuse to bully someone weaker, as his other actions confirm.

"the cyclist did something to provoke" the assailant is something you always get on here, so you can argue that point between you. I'm flouncing

Heh

Regardless of what she may or may not have done, she's a woman, he's a man. He shouldn't be laying a finger on her. Regardless. If I'd been in the place of the woman he'd not have looked at me wrong never mind pushed me off the bike.

He's a bloody coward and will no doubt be arrested and prosecuted for assault.

I don't care what scenario, real or imagined occurred beforehand, shoving someone when they are on there bike is a dick move at the best of times. A man doing it to a woman is ****ing disgusting.

why she felt the need to say 'please don't try to knock me off'

Maybe she's had previous experience of the passive aggressive slow walk toward the cyclist a lot pedestrians seem to do. The casual "I'm not walking any faster for a bike" attitude you get from a certain element when they cross the road.

Having watched it again it does seem she gave him the finger....cant see why folks can't just ride/walk/drive away from trouble rather than go looking for it?

Anyway, the interpretation that "the cyclist did something to provoke" the assailant is something you always get on here, so you can argue that point between you. I'm flouncing

Whats your point?

She's plainly said/done something the camera hasn't caught.

Weird how some seem to be missing that.

Regardless of what she may or may not have done, she's a woman, he's a man. He shouldn't be laying a finger on her.

He shouldn't be laying a finger on anyone, regardless of gender or what was gestured or said.

Flipping cowardly eejit. It's easy to push a girl off her bike isn't it. But hey, according to some, she was wearing a helmet cam, and that's "a bit antagonising" so y'know, fair game and all that.

She's plainly said/done something the camera hasn't caught.

Weird how some seem to be [s]missing[/s]imagining that.

Also the related stories make for some pretty depressing reading.

So why are the words...

[i][b]"You wanna put your finger up at me, you mug..."[/b][/i]

...so easily heard on the video. Are we imagining that, MSP?

So why are the words...

"You wanna put your finger up at me, you mug..."

...so easily heard on the video. Are we imagining that, Matt?

Seems it's only you & I who heard that bit teasel..... 🙄

Ok, here he's still moving
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Here, the word "please" comes out of her mouth as he takes another step. Quite clearly to anyone who can see the bleedin obvious, into the path of her bike
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He says, for no reason whatsoever "Shut up you muppet". Maybe she then gestures at him? She doesn't look round even slightly, so she must have stuck her arm out without turning.

So it's clearly her fault. Stupid woman shame a car didn't run over her head.

"COME ON THEN!" Ooh it's simply ages since I said that to a woman. A woman with her hands occupied by steering a bike. Cowardly bitch.

Because he is an irrational violent thug trying to justify his actions to himself and the wider world.

You are imagining he needs a real reason to say that.

Maybe she's had previous experience of the passive aggressive slow walk toward the cyclist a lot pedestrians seem to do. The casual "I'm not walking any faster for a bike" attitude you get from a certain element when they cross the road.

Actually it would be walk a bit slower she would have wanted. He made no effort to cross the road in front of her, just closed the gap more than she might have felt comfortable. Still, her choice of words is very odd - 'try and knock me off' is accusing him of a conscious 'attack' rather than being inconsiderate. In his (wrong) head he's just though, 'well if you are going to unjustifiably accuse me of something I wasn't going to do, I'll ****** well do it'. Again, not right but just trying to work out how it came about.

Seems it's only you & I who heard that bit teasel..

Maybe I should make an audio recording before the vid gets pulled...

🙂

We all heard it, we just didn't come to the same conclusions as to why it was said.

...according to some, she was wearing a helmet cam, and that's "a bit antagonising" so y'know, fair game and all that.

Just a small step away from "she was asking for it" 🙁

Well done Dezb for the vid analysis, thank you.

But you left out any reference to his words about her giving him the finger......or did he imagine it?

What he's done his wrong make no mistake - but lets be honest & look at what we are presented with. It would be remiss to ignore that which doesn't suit our desired interpretation of events so we can demonise this man anymore than he's already going to be.

Lets also look at the cyclists actions.

Telling someone to F off by use of the finger is hardly acceptable either.
(Though obviously shoving her over is bang out of order as a response).

We all heard it, we just didn't come to the same conclusions as to why it was said.

So how are you interpreting his words then?

You are imagining he needs a a real reason to say that.

Really - that's your response. You're coming in from the angle that he simply imagined her giving him the finger? Or maybe you're suggesting he misread a different hand move she was performing at the time, though I'm struggling to think of anything that could be misconstrued in such a fashion.

For what it's worth (which clearly isn't much) I'm not justifying his actions in the slightest by arguing this point, merely hypothesising on the events based on the evidence I have to get an accurate picture.

Oh she accused him of an attack? And she's wearing a helmet cam. Oh FFS, get her off the streets now. And if it means pushing her under a taxi, then so be it.

It's quite straight forward:

1) She asks him not to knock her off

2) He replies to her request with some stern words

3) She flicks a finger(s)

4) He says how dare you

5) He pushes her off

@hilldodger; If she was rude as some believe, she was indeed asking for retaliation. However that retaliation should have extended to nothing more than harsh words. What he did was an unnecessary and illegal escalation.

All I'm saying is, this is a woman, a female being ATTACKED by a man. A man shouting "COME ON! COME ON THEN!" and this is what we should focus on, whether she wheelied over his pathetic little penis or waved a knuckleduster in his face matters NOT A JOT.

These are the only comments worth anything

[i]he is an irrational violent thug
Flipping cowardly eejit
shoving someone when they are on there bike is a dick move
he is a thug looking for an excuse to bully someone weaker
hideous & cowardly attack[/i]

Unless that kind of violence against women is in any way justifiable in your world.

But you left out any reference to his words about her giving him the finger......or did he imagine it?

Do you think the rantings of a violent man winding himself up to assault someone should be treated as an accurate portrayal of events?

If only she'd had a bell to ring in the first place!

lol@dez, easy now, people [i]will[/i] take you literally.

Unless that kind of violence against people is in any way justifiable in your world.

Fixed that for you. And no, it's not.

I wouldn't have got involved with the first comment, it was hardly worth it, and pedestrians are quite often already wound up by the shitty infrastructure they have to put up with.

It sounds from his comment, as he was assaulting her, like he while was already overreacting badly to her first comment she gave him the finger.

He's an arsehole, he'll be up on assault, if she did give him the finger he'll get off more lightly.

"Smile and Wave, Boys, Just Smile and Wave."

Unless that kind of violence against women is in any way justifiable in your world.

I have a friend who is partially sighted due to his refusal to appropriately deal with a violent woman. An acrylic nail can do a great deal of damage to an eyeball.

Violence and confrontation from any gender must be addressed and challenged in an appropriate way. being of a particular gender does not give you a free pass to act like an animal.

A man shouting "COME ON! COME ON THEN!" and this is what we should focus on, whether she wheelied over his pathetic little penis or waved a knuckleduster in his face matters NOT A JOT.

So, according to you......

If you're a woman you're above the law & accepted normal levels of decency & good manners?

Jesus, did she have acrylic nails too?

I'm slowly coming round to the bloke's point of view.

Dez - I'm not sure anyone is saying what he did was very wrong - you'd have to be kind of weird not to. He was probably just a little ball of impotent anger waiting to explode. Just trying to work out why is exploded right at that moment.

I have a friend who is partially sighted due to his refusal to appropriately deal with a violent woman. An acrylic nail can do a great deal of damage to an eyeball.

[i]Dez - I'm not sure anyone is saying what he did was very wrong[/i]

Well, using the word "clearly" which I've seen a few times on this thread: Clearly mrlebowski thinks she deserved something.

Jesus, did she have acrylic nails too?

I'm slowly coming round to the bloke's point of view.

Haha, I think she also had a stiletto she was going to hit him with.

He was clearly already an angry man, if it wasn't that cyclist, I'm sure someone would have copped that rage at some point that day.

I have a friend who is partially sighted due to his refusal to appropriately deal with a violent woman. An acrylic nail can do a great deal of damage to an eyeball.

Violence and confrontation from any gender must be addressed and challenged in an appropriate way. being of a particular gender does not give you a free pass to act like an animal.

Wow. Ok, I exaggerated! I guess that doesn't come across in forum font to some folk!

Way I see it... If you take the very worst version of events that the victim-blamers can come up with, he's still absolutely a total **** assaulting someone without good reason. So blame away, it makes no difference whatsoever, you're just rearranging deckchairs on a total ****.

[i]Just trying to work out why is exploded right at that moment.[/i]

because she was a target he knew that he could attack with impunity?

Clearly mrlebowski thinks she deserved something.

Eh...?

So, according to you......

If you're a woman you're above the law & accepted normal levels of decency & good manners?

Yes, yes, yes!

That's exactly what DebZ is saying.

...clearly.

What he's done his wrong make no mistake - but lets be honest & look at what we are presented with

A man pushing a woman into a road full of traffic.

@spchantler

That would depend on you. I'm fairly large and have a significant weight advantage to the woman in question. A good arm bar until the police arrive would probably suffice.

What he did was ignore an increasingly violent woman after she had already assaulted him, she then attacked him from behind and got his eye as he lost her shit. He regrets his lack of action, unfortunately hindsight is 20/20, well, not in his case but you get my meaning.

Having once mouthed off at an impatient driver and then been assaulted, I'm in the "What he did was totally wrong but never antagonise a stranger " camp with this one.

That in no way undermines the seriousness of what the guy did, but hindsight taught me a valuable lesson.

My driver got a caution for the assault btw - the other thing I learnt that day was that if I was going to assault someone, I wouldn't have a short and memorable personalised plate on my [s]Audi A3[/s] car.

The guy was an arse. I was bored the other day at work and watched a load of those road rage compilations on YT. Made me realise there are a lot of angry and frustrated road users out there. But the level of violence they go to for the most innocuous incidents is pretty scary.

because she was a target he knew that he could attack with impunity?

In that part of London you could have your pick of vulnerable female cyclists if that was your thing, and just wait there for them to go past and not go to the trouble of running after one! So no, that's not a good enough reason.

Having once mouthed off at an impatient driver and then been assaulted, I'm in the "What he did was totally wrong but never antagonise a stranger " camp with this one.

And that's your right, but equally, it's entirely wrong to criticise someone for standing up to a bully.

Clearly mrlebowski thinks she deserved something.

Oh FFS I've never said that!

In fact I've repeatedly stated my disgust at his actions.

What I have said or roughly is this:

1. It seems he was provoked?
2. What was it that happened to provoke him?
3. Be very wary of idling telling someone to F off as you don't know how they are going to react, if that is indeed what occurred.

At what point does that insinuate I think she deserved to be pushed off her bike?

In fact just to be clear, I'll say it one more time just for you:

HE'S A SCROAT.

@Convert, most cyclist are vulnerable, unless they can get the drop on an individual and dismount the bike before an assault occurs, you just end up on your arse. SPD/Road shoes are not the best footwear to stand your ground in either.

Clearly he's someone who will escalate to violence every time he has a confrontation.

Two pages and no a single mention of "[i]it could have been a child's face[/i]"

Is disappoint.

Even flipping the bird in retaliation to [i]"shut up you mug"[/i] really doesn't warrant pushing a cyclist off into oncoming traffic.

I hope the police are able to have chat.

I learnt that day was that if I was going to assault someone, I wouldn't have a short and memorable personalised plate on my car.

🙂

Even flipping the bird in retaliation to "shut up you mug" really doesn't warrant pushing a cyclist off into oncoming traffic.

Agreed. And I don't think anyone on this thread has claimed that, though I believe that's how some sensitive souls have interpreted some opinions.

[i]HE'S A SCROAT.[/i]

It's spelt SCROTE.

And that's your right, but equally, it's entirely wrong to criticise someone for standing up to a bully.

Thats a good & brave point - but you'd better be able to deal with the consequences of your actions.

Clearly he's someone who will escalate to violence every time he has a confrontation.

Helmet cam. Asking him to keep out of the way. Possible acrylic nails.

Clearly, this kind of thing would drive the most easy-going guy to push a girl off a bike.

Helmet cam. Asking him to keep out of the way. Possible acrylic nails.

Clearly, this kind of thing would drive the most easy-going guy to push a girl off a bike.

Most definitely.

The guy in the video is scum.

This is funny however

Having watched it again it does seem she gave him the finger....cant see why folks can't just ride/walk/drive away from trouble rather than go looking for it?

Seems to me you are looking for trouble by simplying being here

No one ever says please dont knock me off then flips the bird.

I assume she waived her hand /arm dismissively and angry man assaulted her.

The only possible interpretation here is he committed an assault and STW has more than its fair share of dicks. Who should be hit repeatedly, in an attempt to knock sense into them, as we all chant well you should have said nothing to justify it . they will nod in agreement about how they provoked the situation as they go off to hospital.

you'd better be able to deal with the consequences of your actions

Yes its definitely the consequences rather than someone going unpredictably apeshit, committing assault and then breaking the law

Can we meet up so I can deliver your consequences? you will agree you have deserved it for your views I assume 🙄

He's a bloody coward and will no doubt be arrested and prosecuted for assault.

He's an arsehole, he'll be up on assault

If she was a pedestrian or a driver then maybe.

But she is a cyclist so it will be the bottom of the heap.

Note that this took place on the 1st of May, nearly four months ago, and the police just released the footage today.

Compare that to the [url= http://news.sky.com/story/1537801/man-arrested-after-aston-martin-keyed-on-cctv ]guy scratching the Aston Martin[/url] where the video was made public after less than two months and the bloke swiftly arrested.

If I was better with words I might be able to draw a comparison to some people's over heated reaction to some of the posts on this thread and shoving a woman off a bike for flicking the finger....

STW has more than its fair share of dicks.

Do I get to push you off the internet now? I have been provoked and all?

Who should be hit repeatedly, in an attempt to knock sense into them, as we all chant well you should have said nothing to justify it . they will nod in agreement about how they provoked the situation as they go off to hospital.

Anyone care to interpret that for me, it's a tad too Yoda...