[Closed] Andy Schleck about to retire?

I guess it's true that the drugs don't work...

or more to the point, they do but when you can't use them freely it's quite a bit harder to be good.

Won't miss him. Though he's pretty much been missing for a few years now anyway (see above).

Strange - presumably he was on the wrong sort of drugs given the latest research:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/athletics/29510575

If only he'd used a narrow wide

that muscles can retain the advantages given by anabolic steroids decades after the point at which they were taken.

Useful for sprinters, less so for cyclists...

That's not to say that there isn't an effect, there could well be for EPO, growth hormone, etc but I'm not aware of such a direct correlation to when EPO wasn't detectable (and pre biopassport) when you could just make blood significantly more capable of transporting oxygen. Stopping EPO leads to a return to more normal levels as has been documented by several ex-dopers when they've documented their experiences of being on and off EPO within a season.

If only he'd not come up against a (bigger) cheating Spaniard.

Who (IMO) has now worked out how to do it enough to get his advantage back... It's clear that EPO is still being used and not being detected every time so I'm very sceptical that an unrepentant doper is not going to do so again.

No loss to the sport, he's been very average for a few years. Rightly or wrongly, I see his "win" of the TdF on 2010 as the last really dirty win. His ride in the 2011 race where he attacked from long range and won at the top of the Galibier was far to reminiscent of Landis in 2006 for my liking.

I shan't miss him either. Tainted and a moaner to boot. Cheerio.

What lunge said.
For me, it was like watching Harry Enfields jockey sketch.

Andy Schleck about to retire?

Which race?

Ba dum tsch

So long Abandy Schleck, maybe Trek can sort themselves out a bit now. Mollema's a good signing.

I missed this. Andy finished the whole press conference instead of abandoning 10 minutes after it started?

He did have moments this season where I allowed myself to believe, but they were strangely timed and didn't last long.

Andy finished the whole press conference instead of abandoning 10 minutes after it started?

He didn't have to go downhill.

Stopping EPO leads to a return to more normal levels as has been documented by several ex-dopers when they've documented their experiences of being on and off EPO within a season.

Although if someone's been on EPO for five years (say) haven't they arguably had the opportunity to train to a higher overall level of fitness than someone of the same age who's been clean?

Undoubtedly but I reckon that a two year ban would be plenty long enough for that to return to normal assuming of course that they don't continue to cheat while banned.

Coooweee, loving the haterz.. Have a hug (~)

I get all the hugs I need from my brother Frank 😉

Undoubtedly but I reckon that a two year ban would be plenty long enough for that to return to normal assuming of course that they don't continue to cheat while banned.

course they cheated while banned, its like a free pass 😆

Anyone having beef for dinner?

It's clear that EPO is still being used and not being detected

Really? How so?

I think if you're going to make a statement like that you need to substantiate it.

[quote=Spin ]I shan't miss him either. Tainted and a moaner to boot. Cheerio.

Tainted how?

As an aside, it's a bit odd how a rider like Andy Schleck seems to attract such ire. He's emotionally quite fragile but at his best, one of the best riders in the world.

Astana positives. I don't believe that they're the only two people cheating. Recent history shows that's unlikely. It also suggests that it's unlikely that team leaders don't cheat when their teammates do.

I'll be sorry to see him go. Always came across as a nice guy, and a great climber. I've fond memories of getting happily drunk in Liege watching Liege Bastogne Liege with the Frank and Andy Fan Club (including the third Schleck brother). They almost persuaded me to join.

As for the lame drugs comments on every single road race post........yawn, getting pretty tedious now. Away and watch football if you want to see constant never ending cheating.

It's all about the reticulocyte balance these days?

I love road racing. I hate cheats. Why on earth would I keep quiet about it? I'm pretty sure that's exactly how cycling got into it's mess.

As to football, cmon, be serious �

Astana positives. I don't believe that they're the only two people cheating. Recent history shows that's unlikely. It also suggests that it's unlikely that team leaders don't cheat when their teammates do.

Olympic champion. DS of a major team. Doper.

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Bjarne Riis is still involved. Hell, Virenque is still the poster boy for Festina.

If the peloton really wants to be taken seriously, it needs to rid itself of the cancer within.

This was supposed to be a thread about Andy Schleck possibly retiring. So why, like virtually every other road racing thread, does it get hijacked into a debate about drugs? That debate should be for somewhere else.

So why, like virtually every other road racing thread, does it get hijacked into a debate about drugs?

He's ridden with/for dopers. His brother is/was a doper. Valid discussion, I'd say.

He will always be linked to Fuentes and very large payments for "training plans".

Not sorry to see him go.

Tainted how?

One word answer... Riis.

I love road racing. I hate cheats. Why on earth would I keep quiet about it? I'm pretty sure that's exactly how cycling got into it's mess.

He's called a press conference and everything else is speculation. He could be announcing he's going to confess to doping, that he's gay, appearing in the next season of Strictly, got cancer....anything, really.

My money's on him announcing a sex change as it's the only way he can win on the Champs Elysees next year.

CaptainFlashheart - Member

His brother is/was a doper.

My brother's a ginger. You can't choose your family!

I bet you're ginger underneath

Kennyp you know the subject of this topic right? If you love cycling get rid of those who only care about cheating.

He will always be linked to Fuentes and very large payments for "training plans".

TBF that was Fränk.

[quote=hora ]Kennyp you know the subject of this topic right? If you love cycling get rid of those who only care about cheating.

Coming from the former #1 Lance Armstrong fan in the universe. You still supported Lance long after rational observers accepted he was a cheat.

One word answer... Riis.

It's funny that Andy Schleck riding for Riis means he's a doper but (almost) nobody says the same about Cancellara or Voigt. The irony is, saying "everyone is a doper" is the tactic used by Lance and his ilk to excuse their behaviour. It's a lazy attitude, especially when it seems reasonable to think professional cycling is the cleanest it's been for some time (now if only they could get rid of Vino and his gang).

Back on topic, even in Luxembourg there's a resigned shrug these days when it comes to Andy. The feeling here is that he lost the love for the sport after his broken sacrum, Frank's ban and all the drama with Leopard and then Radioshack so it may be best for him to either step down to continental status with the new Danish/Luxembourg team or just retire. Seems the latter is most likely. I was invited to the press conference this morning but I've got to work 🙂

I love road racing. I hate cheats. Why on earth would I keep quiet about it?

Likewise, but I think if you're really going to contribute to the discussion you need to back up what you say, rather than shouting "He's a cheat!"

I was invited to the press conference this morning

In my head, you have nothing to do with cycling at all, just happen to be in luxembourg and they've had to pay for a minimum of minimum of 25 guests at the post conference buffet.

That is almost certainly the case; filling the room. I've somehow ended up on Trek Factory Racing's PR list and as I'm local there's a greater chance that I'd make the effort to drive 20km rather than flying down from London for example. If I was actually in the country today I'd have considered it.

Coming from the former #1 Lance Armstrong fan in the universe

We'd be fools to think that each countries doping testers (for ALL sports) have high ideals and rigorously and regularly test and prosecute all athletes come out of season.

We will never know though. Only when the idiots slip up and are occassionally caught under competition.

And oh yes, I was an idiot to blindly believe.

He's off to MTN... Bet ya's 😆

He's off to MTN... Bet ya's

No, press conference has been called by Trek Factory Racing so either he's renewed with them (doubtful) or he's retiring. If it was a new team, the new team would be calling the conference.

mrlebowski - Member

Likewise, but I think if you're really going to contribute to the discussion you need to back up what you say, rather than shouting "He's a cheat!"

Fuentes, Riis, performances pre and post bio passport and more stringent testing. I'm ok with my view that he's a cheat. I'm not asking for him to be banned on that but it's enough for me.

And I think it's very relevant to this thread. He's a doper, he's made no obvious effort to improve the situation even if he decided to stop and while I agree that he seems like a perfectly nice guy, that's not really enough for me to be sad that he's retiring.

He's just announced it, cites knee injury as cause.

(almost) nobody says the same about Cancellara or Voigt.

Lots have questioned Cancellara.

I've said the same about Voight here in the past. Even if he never doped, his claim that he never saw or heard anything when he rode for some of the worst offending teams at the hight of the doping era is a bit hard to believe.

Fuentes

That was his brother. Yes he got away with it but it still doesn't mean Andy paid Fuentes (as far as I know, most clients were pointed out).

Oh, and he's retired effective the end of the season, which realistically means now.

Oh, and he's retired effective the end of the season, which realistically means now

Is there a link anywhere?

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/andy-schleck-retires-from-professional-cycling

[url= http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cycling/29647353 ]Astana under investigation. [/url]

Oh dear, a 4th positive for Astana 😐