[Closed] Ambulances at Swinley last night....

I posted too, but not heard. Labyrinth is a bit sketchy at high speed at the mo, exposed roots and a lot of standing water, go easy people.

We were told by another rider that someone had broken both wrists on the labyrinth, but that was before the ambulances got there. That was just after we'd ridden it but we didn't see anyone by the trailside. First ambulance came up the wall as we got back to the top. It must have been about 7.15.

Hope the guy is OK. It got in my head a bit and I stacked shortly afterwards. Probably back there tomorrow night though.

Probably not PC to make fun when someone's buggered both their arms (broke my left arm before christmas and that sucked enough!), but,

Labyrinth is a bit sketchy at high speed at the mo, exposed roots and a lot of standing water, go easy people.

It's a trail, it's going to have roots/rocks/mud/puddles

Labyrinth isn't in it's usual condition,

the trail pixies can't get in there to do enough maintenance - have had to cancel two maintenance sessions recently because of weather. Yet people continue to ride them in spite of the obvious deterioration in the surfaces.

, it's a dangerous sport, a bit of knowledge can prevent a serious accident.

No its not Its neither dangerous or a sport. (unless you race)

My broken foot and torn knee ligaments say there is an ellement of danger to this non competative pastime!

No its not Its neither dangerous or a sport. (unless you race)

Incorrect pedant is incorrect.

And his sentence structure is just awful

a year ago i would have said that you dont need to call an ambulance for a broken wrist.

No its not Its neither dangerous or a sport. (unless you race)

The guy with two broken wrists may disagree.

I broke my fibula and 2 bones in my ankle doing about 5mph (front wheel, icy log interface) whilst not racing....

No its not Its neither dangerous or a sport. (unless you race)

Suggest you look up sport and dangerous on wiki/dictionary.com/OED then.

from dictionary.com

Sport:
1. an athletic activity requiring skill or physical prowess and often of a competitive nature, as racing, baseball, tennis, golf, bowling, wrestling, boxing, hunting, fishing, etc.
2. a particular form of this, especially in the out of doors.
3. diversion; recreation; pleasant pastime.
4. jest; fun; mirth; pleasantry: What he said in sport was taken seriously.
5. mockery; ridicule; derision: They made sport of him.

1) tick, often competative, but doesn't have to be
2) not much indoor mtb, tick
3) tick, even in the rain covered in midges its pleasent, and wadeing through an environmentlay sensitive scottish bog certainly passes a lot of time
4) STW.

Dangerous:
1. full of danger or risk; causing danger; perilous; risky; hazardous; unsafe.
2. able or likely to cause physical injury: a dangerous criminal.

1) errrr, see thred title
2) eg. a dangerous sport.

Potentially/sometimes dangerous. (Perhaps knowing this (as in climbing) is what makes the actual danger less?).

Potentially/sometimes a sport. No?

Bollox

A sport needs a scoring sytem and the amount of injuries compared tot eh particiapnts is very low.

therefore it is neither dangerous nor a sport - its a pastime. Like hillwalking or pony trekking

I know for the dull middleaged IT bods on here it may seem dangerous and exciting and it feels good to partake of an extreme and dangerous sport but its riding bikes in a controlled environment FFS

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ARE YOU CALLING ME A MINCER WHO DOESNT PUT ANY EFFORT IN

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*storms out of thread with a copy of MBR to go ride a DH bike on a towpath*

What you mean you don't have a scoring system, how do work out who buys the first round? 😉

edit: delete, it really isnt worth it.

Racing is a sport - no question of that. If there is no scoring system its not a sport

Dangerous - not from the dictionary definitions above

Dangerous:
1. [b]full of[/b] danger or risk; causing danger; perilous; risky; hazardous; unsafe.
2. able or [b]likely to[/b] cause physical injury: a dangerous criminal.

Come off it its a small % chance of injury.

So TJ, what do you do if someone you're riding with falls off and injures themselves? Give them a pep talk about how non-dangerous biking is whilst pointing out the bone poking out through their calf is just a scratch?

Anyway - it doesn't really matter. I only checked the thread to see if someone had drowned whilst riding Swinley.

Racing is a sport - no question of that. If there is no scoring system its not a sport

Rubbish.
GAMES have scoring systems. Not sports. You PLAY games.
Hunting, shooting, fishing. All true sports. No scoring involved. Some would say that they are the ONLY true sports, too.

Of course you can get injured. You can get injured doing DIY or mountaineering or fishing - all of which have far higher injury rates than cycling

Just because you can get injured does not mean it is dangerous. Unless you believe getting out of bed is dangerous.

So if I race my mates when we are out does it turn into a sport? Of course it's a sport - we ahve a world cup and it's at this years Olympics.
Not dangerous? TJ I often agree with you but in this instance you are talking out of your **** (or bored / trolling). Of course it's dangerous. We may not ride like Steve Peat, Danny Hart etc but I bet most people on here have sustained injuries from their chosen pastime/sport? And if I didn't wear a helmet I would have previously sustained some pretty serious injuries so there 😈 😀

PP - so football is not a sport then? Nor track racing?

Would yo can pony trekking a dangerous sport? far more folk get hurt doing that - and swimming - far more dangerous

So at the weekend I did a ride that would agree with TJ. A social bimble around Derbyshire.

Next Sunday I do a ride that doesn't agree with TJ. An enduro race in Swinley where I will be measured against other riders.

However, I still intend on riding at a social bimble pace. So perhaps the definition isn't about what you do, it's about how you ride it.

As for being dangerous - I guess it's a matter of perception. Some people will think biking is dangerous, some will think going on a roof is dangerous......

*makes mental note to avoid swinley next sunday*

(not to avoid the good doctor, but i don't really like being limited by taped off sections)

TJ, you're very good at quoting stuff to prove a point. Your point. So I'm gonna use your quote against you

2. able or likely to cause physical injury

ABLE to. ABLE. Would you deny cycling is UNABLE to cause injury?
Comparing it to getting out of bed changes NOTHING about cycling does it?

Weather one regards the level, severity or likelihood of injury to constitute their personal view on DANGER is neither here nor there, but I'd be willing to bet most riders in STW have had an injury from cycling. Cuts, bruises, pulled muscles etc. And I'd bet the same that, as a group, we incurr more such injuries than those that only get out of bed.
There is no denying that MTBing places the person in more danger. None at all.

[pops back into thread to pick up the audi's keys]

[trips over on the way out and bangs head]

[decides it's quite nice being knocked out as no one can tell you you don't know if the helmet would have saved your life or not]

PP - so football is not a sport then? Nor track racing?

That's not what I said, is it? Or what I think for that matter.

But football is a game. One PLAYS it.

PS - I'm good at this argument. Take care young man..... 🙂

🙂

*makes mental note to avoid swinley next sunday*

I'm in the area next weekend, fancy a non sporting non dangerous bimble?

This is all very interesting..... but does anyone know what happened to that chap at Swinley? If it was indeed two broken wrists - I presume he hit a tree, or a badger

It isn't dangerous and it isn't a sport which is precisely why I ride ... the way I do.

HTH

TJ taking part in an extreme sport
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no wonder you don't consider it dangerous or a sport if that's the kinda stuff you ride TJ 😆

TINAS.... swinley is a complete mudfest at the moment.... its AMAZING FUN 😀 i could be up for such an adventure, will need to check with mrsconsequence i'm not forgetting weekend plans i agreed to by accident when not really paying attention 😈

its what sniggleshhpeedz were invented for. MEDICAL FACT!

funny how a thread asking after the wellbeing of a fellow rider has turned into TJ trolling everyone, i say funny... i mean sad.

Phil - probably far more dangerous than most - thats a long long way from a road and quite high and exposed. there is danger and there is danger 🙂

Mind you getting a kicking from MrsTJ if I crash is probably the most danger I am in

Genuine hilarity at the image of middle-aged biffers cycling around car parks arguing over the dictionary definition of dangerous whilst they partake in their 'sport'.

Here’s a dangerous sport: Commuting by bike every day contesting Strava segments.

It has everything; far more dangerous and frequent than bimbling around on a MLC full-boinger and far more competitive as you bust a lung to grab the KOM you’ve had your eye on 😉

TJ, why not start a separate thread to discuss if it's a sport or not and leave this one as a swinjury thread?

Can we have a row in this thread about whether there should be a separate thread or not?

scherweeet 🙂 I was planning on going out with the roadies for some pain/coffee/cake on Sunday morning, but other than that I'm free.

Can we have a row in this thread about whether there should be a separate thread or not?

NO

*basks in the irony of argueing about whether to split the argument from the original thred*

philconsequence - Member
funny how a thread asking after the wellbeing of a fellow rider has turned into TJ trolling everyone, i say funny... i mean sad.

another day in stw-land, same old attention whore........

Have to agree with you there for once, it can't be that extreme seeing as you've got your Mum on the back of your bike.

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seeing as you've got your Mum on the back of your bike.

Please: lets leave peoples mums out of this. Although she looks a bit like my mum too.....

TandemJeremy - Member
Of course you can get injured. You can get injured doing DIY or mountaineering or fishing - all of which have far higher injury rates than cycling

So yeah sure, it's not dangerous. That's why mountain biking is one of the top causes of clavicle breaks, with contact *sports* being the other main cause. The frequency of these is relatively huge. I'm almost getting to the point where I'm losing count of the number of people I know of who've done it.

Can't be dangerous when ambulances are called out to Swinley on a frequent basis (must be weekly I'd say), air ambulances fairly often too. I'm sure they just go there for the fun of it.

And yeah, me in intensive care knocked out for a couple of days with broken back and potential of spine injury (again Swinley)... nah, it's not dangerous at all.

rewski - Member

............... it's a dangerous sport,

All I did was question this. 🙂

thread was dull anyway.

thread was dull anyway.

the original post was concern over a possible fellow rider, and sharing knowledge regarding damaged trails.

which is over in 3 posts.

I find the posting about injured riders that no one knows somewhat ghoulish anyway.

then there is the whole question of calling ambulances for minor injuries as well

if its that dangerous a sport you ow it to yourself and everyone else to gain the knowledge and experience to deal with the danger and the consequences.

There's other threads if you find this one so dull.

Why did you have to go and tell him??

which is over in 3 posts

I find the posting about injured riders that no one knows somewhat ghoulish anyway.

Less that one page before the usual bickering. Nice one, pat yourselves on the back.

Back on topic, healing vibes to the Swinley faller.

then there is the whole question of calling ambulances for minor injuries as well

Deadkenny walked back to the car park with a broken back and mashed up face if I remember correctly. Not sure that's on the list of things to do with potential spinal injuries but one advantage of serious concussion combined with adrenaline; they can't figure out how hurt they are. You know, in a totally non-dangerous way.

@ TandemmJeremy

thanks for giving me a smile lol, this thread is brilliant!

@TJ - a lot of my mountain biking takes place in a largely uncontrolled environment, almost all the trails I ride are unofficial, the obstacles haven't been sanctioned, checked for safety and are surrounded by trees to crash into if you get it wrong. An unofficial trail through the woods can be less safe than a black run in the alps.

@deadk, max respect for getting back on the bike.

Healing vibes to the injured biker.

Definition of "Sport": Anything that requires specialised footwear..

TJ - statistics please. where are your injury facts coming from?

20+mph, downhill, packed between trees and flying over loose/rocky/muddy changeable terrain and wearing nowt but a polystyrene lid is dangerous in Chuck Norris' book.
Take a troll pill

Anything that requires specialised footwear..

Just back online, 'twas me. Overcooked the tabletop and landed hard. Out cold for two minutes and can't remember the crash, the period waiting for the ambulance or 1hrs riding previous to it.

End result 6 nights in hospital. Dislocated one wrist, broke the other into many pieces. Broke the radius in the arm with the dislocated wrist. Plates in both arms, plus a pin and screw in the right one. I'll be off the bike for a while. Special thanks to my riding buddies who stayed with me while waiting for the ambulance during which I am told a kept asking the year, month and where I was

😯
Shit man those are some nasty injuries. Good luck.
Must have had quite a significant blow to the head to have that period of amnesia.
Lucky nothing serious there.

Glad to you have you with us Martin.

I've broken both wrists (separately) off my bike. If it's any consolation, the physio hurts more than the break!

Do anything you can to keep the fingers moving - curl/uncurl etc.

But if you're not dead TJ won't believe that mountain biking can be dangerous!

You should blame Phill and me, he was talking last week about learning to jump on those tabletops, and then I pointed out they're not accessible to the ambulances!

Your legs still worked, I'm sure TJ will suggest you made your own way to hospital....

Hope you make full recovery.

Ouch, that sounds very nasty, have a speedy and full recovery. If it's any consolation you're memory should come back, mine did apart from the point of the actual accident, which is no bad thing.

@martin - thanks for posting (perhaps that's the way to rehab the fingers !) best wishes for a speedy recovery.

Nasty. Frimley?;-) Not too bad a place, aside from the food.

Nasty. Frimley?;-) Not too bad a place, aside from the food.

Shame the chippie closed down - his chips where ace, fresh cooked to order...

Thanks for the kind words. I believe there was a debate about Frimley or Royal Berks. Royal Berks won as can be seen on [url= http://app.strava.com/rides/7623859 ]Strava[/url]

Food was much better than expected

glad you're alive dude!

i'm suddenly much more hesitant about going and spending an afternoon trying to get those tabletops down 😐

get better soon

double post

Great news that you are back with the land of the living. All the best on a speedy and full recovery. What shape is your helmet in given that you have forgotten a chunk of time. I assume you will be replacing it. If not I would suggest that you bin it and get a new one before you get back on the bike.

BTW any pictures or in STW words "it did not happen" 😀

How's the bike?

I believe there was a debate about Frimley or Royal Berks. Royal Berks won as can be seen on [url= http://app.strava.com/rides/7623859 ]Strava[/url]

Anyway, healing vibes. Hope it doesn't keep you off the bike too long.

I believe there was a debate about Frimley or Royal Berks. Royal Berks won as can be seen on Strava

According to Strava, you ended up in Frimley. Or perhaps the part of you attached to the GPS watch.

three dents in the helmet . i will be replacing it

Good luck with a fast and full recovery 😕 ( i think we've ridden together a few times a few years back.....with the old i-Bike crew?)

[quote=martinhutch said]According to Strava, you ended up in Frimley. Or perhaps the part of you attached to the GPS watch.

Wrong person dood 🙂

Wrong person dood

Aha! 😳

I wonder if there is now a segment covering the trolley ride between A&E and wards.

Royal Berkshire is a nice hospital, though. Wishing a quick recovery to the latest Swinley victim...

Yeah, was just comparing hospital GPS trips, mine was Frimley 😀

I did edit out the rest of it after arrival. It ran for 5 hours after that before the battery died but inside the building the GPS just went nuts.

I'm just glad you were wearing a helmet fella. Although who would be stupid enough to ride a mountain bike without one?

Hang on

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