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[Closed] Air pressure loss on Fox DPX2 shock

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Hi all,

Question regarding pressure loss on a Stumpjumper Evo's DPX2 shock.

First a disclaimer, I know how to set shock pressure, equalizing the two chambers before setting and reading the final pressure.

My previous bike had a different leverage ratio and the RS Deluxe only required 160PSI to achieve 30% sag. It was pretty much set and forget, I took several weeks before I needed to touch up air pressure.

I noticed that I get a lot more pressure drop on the Evo's DPX2. My baseline pressure for 30% sag is 260PSI. I did the following measurements:
26/06 - 260PSI
02/07 - 240PSI

That's 20PSI in 6 days, 3,3PSI per day.
Is this normal??


 
Posted : 02/07/2019 7:50 pm
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How are you checking this? The shock will lose pressure every time you connect the pump so can’t be trusted for pressure testing


 
Posted : 02/07/2019 8:32 pm
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I use a regular shock pump.
I know the air that comes out of the shock and pressurises the pump/gauge will cause a pressure drop, but would expect it to be a handful of PSI, not 20PSI or 8% of the initial pressure


 
Posted : 02/07/2019 10:54 pm
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Is the bike sitting between readings, or are you using it? Could be that the neg spring is still equalising (if the latter)?

If it's sitting and not being used, might be a dodgy seal/oring. Have you checked/taken off the air can?


 
Posted : 02/07/2019 11:00 pm
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Between the 2 readings I had 4 rides

Regarding negative spring equalising, I did the standard procedure of setting desired pressure, cycling the shock some 5 times and resetting the desired pressure. Shouldn't this be enough?

I'm yet to take off the air can


 
Posted : 03/07/2019 10:20 am
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I know the air that comes out of the shock and pressurises the pump/gauge will cause a pressure drop, but would expect it to be a handful of PSI, not 20PSI or 8% of the initial pressure

I'm not sure I agree that it wouldn't explain a 20PSI / 8% loss


 
Posted : 03/07/2019 10:39 am
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Not saying it's impossible, just like it sounds like a lot


 
Posted : 03/07/2019 11:04 am
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When you connect the shock pump you are pressurising the hose and gauge with only the positive chamber of the shock, which is a relatively small volume with a very high pressure. This might be why you are seeing a bigger drop than you expect as the negative is still holding a higher pressure. Maybe connect pump and then cycle she shock to equalize everything? The higher the pressure, the more of a drop you are likely to see when connecting the pump.


 
Posted : 03/07/2019 11:17 am
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Good point, I'll try to equilize the chambers once I connect the hose.

Also, I'll try to set pressure, and right after re measure it. This should isolate if the 20psi drop is only (or mostly) from the pump connection


 
Posted : 03/07/2019 11:54 am
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Pump it up to max pressure and put it in a bucket full of water to see if you can see a leek.


 
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Posted : 03/07/2019 12:46 pm
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First obvious thing to do is to check it after one short ride (ie a few minutes) and see how much drop you get then.


 
Posted : 03/07/2019 2:55 pm
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It could be a cracked air can - I've just had that on a DPX2. I took the shock off, put it in a bowl of water and could see bubbles appearing from midway along the can. Pretty sure it's a straight up warranty job


 
Posted : 03/07/2019 3:21 pm
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From my GCSE Chemistry days doesn't the difference between 240 and 260 psi equate to around a 7 deg C difference in temperatures? Was it inflated on a hot day and measured at a cooler temperature?


 
Posted : 03/07/2019 3:30 pm
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Ahh good point, is the bike stored in a hot shed? Or was it pumped up in a hot area?

It's why tyre pressures are taken cold, not warm, after driving the psi will be 5+ more, that's at 30psi.


 
Posted : 03/07/2019 4:33 pm
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Room temperatures were very close between both measurements


 
Posted : 03/07/2019 5:50 pm
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So, after some investigation, I think my shock is OK.
For convenience, I'll condense the methodology and the findings together:

1 - Connect shock pump, set pressure to 260psi
2 - Cycle the shock to equalize chambers
3 - Final set pressure to 260psi
4 - Remove shock pump
5 - Re-connect shock pump and read - There it was, 240psi, 20psi loss
6 - Cycle the shock to equalize chambers, without removing pump
7 - read pressure after equalization - 245psi, 5 psi were gained after chamber equalization
8 - Set shock pressure

I repeated the procedure 3 times, always with the same results. I think this explains what I was observing. It seems that, discount the pump effect, the shock lost little to no pressure on my previous weekly readings


 
Posted : 04/07/2019 12:41 pm
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Easy to say that now, but I would have put money on the fact that that was what was happening. Glad for you it's all good though.


 
Posted : 04/07/2019 12:54 pm
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Thanks for the help


 
Posted : 04/07/2019 5:13 pm

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