[Closed] Advice for if you think you've been 'done'

PayPal gift with someone you don't know?

How long's this 'silence' been? How much longer than the agreed timescale?

Assuming you didn't use PayPal gift enter a dispute.

You didn't use gift....

As above was this a gift? Assuming not then give a deadline and thn enter a dispute

Is there a time limit for disputes?

Time limit may not be quite as long as the OP suggests above judging by his/her posting history.
Assuming it is only one week and not the "several weeks" mentioned above and given that it has been a bank holiday week during the holiday season you may want to give just a little bit longer.
Having said that, if they are on holiday or whatever they could have let you know.

Dispute first. If they then answer communications keep the dispute open until the goods arrive.

Gift, i' m afraid.

Then you're ****ed.

Sorry, but there it is.

FWIW, the forum owners do try and warn users. For example, scroll down to the [url= http://singletrackmag.com/forum/topic/wtd-forks-35 ]bottom of your WTD thread[/url].

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oh god, do people never learn! Its like chucking cash out of the window of a car doing 80 on a motorway! You will never get it back!

In that case you might well not see either the forks or your money 🙁

You don't need to be afraid, your mistake sadly, and you now have zero recourse. Hard luck. Different names should've been a clue.

Name and Shame or ask politely if anyone on here knows the seller...

From another Forum
"Please note, our PayPal policy is very strict. It is there to protect all members both sellers and buyers. No one should ever request payment for any item to be sent as a gift, either publicly or via PM. If you send payment as a gift, that is your choice but in doing so you waive all protection that PayPal offers. You will not be able to open a dispute and you wont get your money back if things go wrong. A seller should never ask for payment to be sent as a gift, if they do, report the post or Private Message to the staff here and the sellers advert will be removed and their account put under a yellow card for 2 weeks. All additional fees and costs, PayPal fees, postage, packing and anything else, must be stated clearly in the advert. There must be no hidden costs or requests for additional payments. Same penalty applies"

Paypal gift you say..

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I,m guessing that gif is just what he needs at the present time cloudnine,well done you 😕

Is there no prospect of identifying individual through their electronic profile, not least their own Paypal account? What about recourse to the Law?

It's deception.

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It's deception.
So is "gifting" someone money via paypal in order to avoid fees when it is, in fact, for payment of goods.

Post up his name and any details you have.. you'd be surprised how the stw massive may help track the fraudster down

Which one of the helpful souls was it?

Is there no prospect of identifying individual through their electronic profile, not least their own Paypal account? What about recourse to the Law?

It's deception.

Depends on how much info they gave. If they were smart you have very little chance of tracking them down. The police won't give a shit, mainly due to lack of resources for e-crime, but also as you didn't make any effort to safeguard yourself.

You will probably have to take this one on the chin.

re: Speshpaul's post.

I think PP Gift can be used from time to time. There are several members on here I would have no qualms using it for, and have recently sold myself via that method. Using it with randoms, tho.....well. The weird thing is, it's not as if the buyer benefits in anyway from using it.

PayPal names often don't match sellers, mums, mates, wife's account etc. (Though I find that odd)

Definitely name them, one of us may know them or we could get out the pitchforks. *

* see how I didn't lambasted you as an idiot for pp gifting I'm sure you don't need someone else to remind you **

** sorry

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Sorry to hear that, I have used Paypal gift for small things but generally anything more than £10 and its normal payment. Paying a little more to cover some charges is a slightly less expensive way to avoid getting done.

Unfortunately I doubt theres a comeback, sorry buddy.

Claims ti be from Inverness.

Email address : 'whyterthanwhite@tiscali.co.uk'

Paypal name: Tim Lott

Email address that Paypal have is 'mrtimlott@tiscali.co.uk'

There was someone from this forum with that user name last active approx 4 years ago.

Forks were for my son, for his birthday, and he had been keen to proceed. Pressure of time led to hasty action, i confess.

Whats his posting history? If hes ever bought something off here then someone will have his address.

All you'll then need is a set of bombers to sort him out. Which coincidently I have going cheap. Lets say £150 PP gift to e.mail in profile...

edit...just saw the son's birthday bit. not cool.

If it is the user, whyterthanwhite, they seem like a charmer...

http://singletrackmag.com/forum/topic/wtdali-faye

...also, oldgit may have dealt with him back in 2010.

http://singletrackmag.com/forum/topic/fs-nicolai-argon-singlespeed

Edit:

Since payment sent via Paypal, complete 'silence' from seller.

Should probably ask, how long has it been from payment?

stw username? any idea if he's on pinkbike?

Might have bought this from Captain_Sponge

http://singletrackmag.com/forum/topic/fs-litespeed-pisgah

but also as you didn't make any effort to safeguard yourself.

Ahhhh, the old "she was asking for it" defense.

whyterthanwhite - Member

go pook yourself in the ass.

He's either Hora or Binners

Tinas - bit of a tasteless comparison. He hasn't been raped, he's been ripped off. Hardly comparable.

That said, it's no secret that PP gift is a daft way to pay for goods from strangers. If you use it, you run the gauntlet / roll the dice... Don't mean to rub it in but as has been pointed out, there's a large warning on the buy / sell forums for a good reason.

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Tinas - bit of a tasteless comparison. He hasn't been raped, he's been ripped off. Hardly comparable.

and to the OP, advice? Learn from your mistake, hope that you can track down this person? If not you have been scammed and the cash wont be coming back.

You could try contacting him via his registered email with STW:

bummingspammerssince69@yahoo.com 😕

He has signed off a couple of posts on here as Tim though.

tasteless

Blaming victim - acceptable

Pointing out hypocracy - tasteless?

Gotcha

Blaming daftness - acceptable. Pointing out spelling errors - less so. So I won't. Not at all.

Update - seller has been in contact. Some issue with fork has prevented the sale proceeding. But he has reassured me that the money will be reimbursed.
I have also asked moderators to close thread.
Thanks

I'd probably wait till I had the money in my account till I got too carried away.

Hopefully you do, tho, and realise you have successfully dodged a bullet.

Scammers will often tell you they're going to pay the money back to buy time, so don't count your chickens mate.

Escalate now if you have any means to, give him a deadline of a few hours before you contact the police?

I'm gonna be a real **** now and rub some top draw Himalayan mountain salt into that freshly sliced wound:

In this instance, for the buyer to receive £180 you would of had to of sent £186.54

Six pounds fifty four, or the cost a pint and a packet of nobbys, could of cost you £180.

Sorry man - I'm mainly posting this to hopefully give some perspective on the matter to others who may consider using Gift in the future.

Six pounds fifty four, or the cost a pint and a packet of nobbys, could of cost you £180.

Could [i]HAVE[/i] cost you. That's far more annoying than people pointing out the obvious.

I wonder how you sleep at night 😥

plyphon - Member
I'm gonna be a real **** now and rub some top draw Himalayan mountain salt into that freshly sliced wound:

If that's that pink shit then I'm all in.

OK , so if there is no problem then ask the seller for full contact details . Maybe a set of phone numbers for home, work and mobile. Address and copy of water bill perhaps. Even better would be a pic of him, and these broken forks outside his house , which you could probably googlemap to check if its fo real.

Of course you probably won't do any of the above and will sit waiting for the man from Del Monte to rock up with your forks.

Singletrack mind, or just don't use PayPal gift.....And a lesson for the something for nothing brigade.

stable door - horse
he's already paid , so time for rear guard action . dont use PP gift yada yada yada, but he has , so he is screwed. rather than wait I was trying to suggest a course of action that would pro - active to his current predicament , rather than mount my very high righteous horse and state.-
" should not have used PPGift "

I wouldn't give out that sort of detail to a stranger even if I was legit

If they insist on PayPal gift I send it normal PayPal then "gift" them the few quid that PayPal have knocked off.
And if I'm expecting some total stranger to furnish me with a few hundred pounds on the basis that I'll be good enough to honour the deal then I'm more than happy to give them some proof of who I am.

Hope it works out OP, there's nowt queer as folk & some folk have a strange interpretation of what most would consider the right thing to do. I'd refund at the first sight of trouble.

Good luck.
And hope the lad had a good birthday despite.

Update.
Now fully reimbursed. Clearly i was dealing with a reliable guy.
Thanks all for advice.

If they insist on PayPal gift I send it normal PayPal then "gift" them the few quid that PayPal have knocked off.

just use a fee calculator to figure what you need to send for them to get the correct amount.

if someone is [b]insisting[/b] on gift, then they are scammers!

glad you got your money back OP

I just got contacted by Mr Tim Lott regarding a WTD ad I put up this evening for some wheels. Has anyone else had any dealings with him?

I just got contacted by Mr Tim Lott regarding a WTD ad I put up this evening for some wheels. Has anyone else had any dealings with him?

Even after the OP's first post I wouldn't go near the bloke/seller.

Is singlesteed the chap that is very rude to people in his own for sale threads calling them tinewasters etc.

Is singlesteed the chap that is very rude to people in his own for sale threads calling them tinewasters etc.

Yes,,that's him.

See my recent post
http://singletrackmag.com/forum/topic/singlesteed-dodgy-sellerbewareaka-tim-lott-avoid