[Closed] 650b off-road gravel tyre?

wtb sendero and if you want a bit of protection tyre inserts is my gnar-vel setup.

Ah didn't spot no mud...

Was going to suggest the Sendero too, good as a general off road tyre. But they are very light so if you want a bit more sidewall protection maybe look at a 1.9" XC tyre?

I’ve also been using the Senderos. Great tyres and very grippy

Thanks. For some reason I hardly ever puncture (kiss of death). I’ve even got on ok with the gravelking slicks on some rocky trails in summer. But the number of rim dings makes me think a tyre with a bit more volume might be more sensible. I’ll check out those senderos.

Teravail Rutland

I used to swap from the WTB Byway to the Sendero each winter, they weren't even that bad on the road.

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The Rutland looks interesting and a fair bit lighter than the senderos by the look of it, but can’t find any 650x47 in stock in the UK.

Thanks. For some reason I hardly ever puncture (kiss of death). I’ve even got on ok with the gravelking slicks on some rocky trails in summer. But the number of rim dings makes me think a tyre with a bit more volume might be more sensible. I’ll check out those senderos.

I’m running WTB Horizons, 47c slick, there’s devil head thorns round here and they seem to holding up well.

Mix of road,gravel,fields and mountain trails but it’s dry.

All part of the wtb family thou,nobless byways.

48 mm Gravel King SK protection in 650b - they have been great - I'm 70kg and run them 22psi front and 25 back.

I've moved from Byways to Rutlands for sloppier conditions. I've only had a couple of rides on them so far but they seem ideal. The conditions I want them for probably match yours 🙂

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The conditions I want them for probably match yours

Pretty much exactly I'd say, although you probably ride yours harder than I'd dare 🙂

Where did you get the Rutlands by the way, I can't find any in stock?

The Cinturato looks interesting too.

Where did you get the Rutlands by the way, I can’t find any in stock?

Bike24. Immediately before Xmas so missed any Brexit/tax hi-jinks.

It varies from slurry to cookie dough via saturated clay on my local rides. I'm amazed how well the sendero does. No pointy flint or slate here so can't comment on sidewall longevity.

As you'd expect they do rumble & drag a bit compared to resolutes. I'm now running sendero up front & resolute rear on one bike as the ground starts to dry out, just for some turn in bite. I can cope with the rear breaking away occasionally as rolling resistance is much reduced

Thanks @scotroutes I think I missed that boat 🙂

Same as Scotroutes here - Byways to Rutlands, though the Rutlands roll nicely enough that I may not put the Byways back on, even when it (eventually) dries out.

Keep an eye on Sigmasports for stock - out at the moment, but were pretty good before.

All the best,

Rich

My Genesis Fugio came with 47mm WTB Ventures which I'm really liking on the mixed terrain I ride (soft loamy forest XC trails to hard packed land rover tracks and a bit of road as well). I've only had the bike 5 weeks, and as it's my first gravel bike I've no experience of other tyres but so far so good.

Same as Scotroutes here – Byways to Rutlands, though the Rutlands roll nicely enough that I may not put the Byways back on, even when it (eventually) dries out.

This is a good point. I went for the Rutlands as I felt they looked like a 650x47 version of a Nano 700 and I like the Nano because they have a good mix of grip and rollability. I reckon I might refit the Byways if I was doing a longer, more road-based tour but then I also have some 700c wheels that might be more appropriate (and an unused pair of Horizons I bought in error)....🙄

Thanks folks. I think the Rutlands are (just) my preferred choice, but I could get Senderos delivered in a couple of days, which would probably be fine too and have no idea when the Rutlands will be back in stock. So it depends how long my patience holds out. The Cinturato M’s also look like a decent option, but aren't in stock either as far as I can tell.

WTB Resolutes.

Got a set of gravel king sk 47mm 650 if anyone is looking. £50 posted new in packaging.

Leisure Lakes got a batch of the Teravail Rutland 650x47mm tyres in, so I grabbed a couple.

For anybody that cares about such things, I weighed them on the kitchen scales. Quoted weight for the 650x47 in Light and Supple casing is 535g. My two weighed 540g and 600g. So, quite a bit of variation, which seems quite normal for tyres. Bear in mind that the heavier durable casing is only supposed to add around 20g though. So, it's quite possible that a sample of the durable casing could weigh less that one of the light and supple.

I've only done one ride on them so don't have any reliable data on speed. Initial perceptions are that they are noticeably slower on the road than the 650x47mm Byways that they replaced (which are in turn slower than the 700x38mm gravelking slicks on my other wheels) but there is noticeably more bite off road. Particularly on damp forest trails. That's basically what I was after. The Byways are a bit slower and a bit more comfortable than the gravelkings but don't really offer anything different and grip on damp surfaces it pretty non-existent. These should be a better choice for rides that have a more an even mix of road/off-road than my previous "gravel" rides, which tended to be 80-90% road with a bit of track.

I meant to come back to this thread after riding on Saturday. I was on some particularly sloppy forest and farm tracks near Carrbridge and the Rutlands did really well. I'm a huge fan. I concur with your comparison to the Byways.

That leaves me with a bit of a dilemma; I also have a pair of unused Horizons that would plainly be the best of the 3 on the road, which means the Byways are probably now a bit extraneous so I'm wondering if I should just sell them, or do I accept that 700x28c would be even better on the road and get rid of the Byways AND the Horizons?

That leaves me with a bit of a dilemma; I also have a pair of unused Horizons that would plainly be the best of the 3 on the road, which means the Byways are probably now a bit extraneous so I’m wondering if I should just sell them, or do I accept that 700x28c would be even better on the road and get rid of the Byways AND the Horizons?

Scotroutes You need the gravelkings I'm selling above and I'll throw in the used terrene elwood's!!!

I've not tried the Horizons so I'm not sure if they are noticeably faster than the Byways, but the central section is the same of course, so there may not be much in it. If you've got the Horizons and the Rutlands I think I'd sell the Byways,

I bought a second set of wheels (Hunt 4 season) and fitted 38mm Gravelking TLC (the slicks rather than the SK) and was surprised at how much faster they were on the road than the Byways. They aren't really much worse off road either The Byways are more comfortable (being 47mm) and in theory have a bit more grip, but not that I really noticed to be honest and not in the same league as the Rutlands.

By the way, what pressure do you use with the Rutland? According to the sidewall the minimum pressure is 40psi. I used this at the weekend but thought it felt a bit high.

The new range from Halo look interesting too.

Maybe a bit late now, but I'd second the Pirelli Cinturano M, been running a pair since last summer and they've stood up well to my local conditions just north of the Cairngorms - a lot of my local trails are just crushed rock, the kinda stuff that shreds sidewalls but I'm really impressed by their durability. I regularly ride down to Glenlivet, do a loop of the MTB trails and back. I also did some beach riding last week and they were surprisingly good for a 'skinny' tyre.

@roverpig - 38psi (tubeless)

Thanks @scotroutes

Same sort of psi here too with the Rutlands - didn’t like them below 35 (especially the rear).

Thanks @RichBowman I might take a couple of psi out of mine then, but keep them over 35.

By the way, these were the easiest tubeless setup I’ve ever done I think. Mounted on a WTB KOM rim they were nice and tight but still easy enough to mount by hand and popped up first time with the airshot.

@dovebiker Too late for me but still interesting thanks. I’ve seen some of your pictures from Glenlivet. I know the red is on the tamer end of the spectrum but I still wouldn’t fancy riding a gravel bike down it. There is one rocky steppy section that springs to mind 😮