That would be tight. You'd have approx 4mm clearance either side I reckon, which doesn't leave much room for a wee bit of tyre wobble or wheel being slightly out of true. You'd maybe be better with a WTB 2.8 tyre, as they're a wee bit narrower?.
I have a WTB breakout 2.5 on the rear of my spectral, 2.8NN up front, very good combo IMO.
Well I have to add I'm a convert, I really didn't think I could put the times in that I did today against my full sus, 18 personal bests and by a long way some of them, 27.5 x3 is where it's at
Running around 14 psi in the nobby nics, the grip is staggering
Thanks for the advice nobeerinthefridge. I'd kind of written the trailblazer off as an option as the tread makes it look like it would really struggle in the perpetual mud of the peaks but I may be wrong. As others have said, it's a pricey experiment if it doesn't work well. I may try to be patient instead and wait for more frames/wheels/tyres to become available.
In other news I smashed myself into a tree today so perhaps I should save my money for a skills course...
@stevedoc was all set to convert my Singular, but by the time I get tyres, wheels, boost fork, I reckon I could almost buy that Torrent... Looks great and exceptional value
davros. I'm thinking of trying it out on my High Latitude as well. I think someone commented on this thread a while ago saying they were running a trail blazer with clearance. I don't mind a bit of slip at the rear so might be tempted to go with a trail blazer out back and a nobby nic on the front.
@Sheck I was a little dubious at first as you only get a 15 minute blast at even and id tried the Vantage rr+ from Monraker a few weeks back and it didn't seem to clever but the Torrent is a different kettle of fish
For some reason I can never get images to post so best I can do is link http://www.pinkbike.com/photo/13288172/,cracking bike ,I'm just worried the Five wont get touched for a while
infernocup, you'll have to update us on this thread if you go for it. I'd be interested to see how you get on. I wouldn't see bottom bracket height as being a problem and if there is sufficient clearance at the rear I'm sure it would be a great ride.
Just built up a Cove Hustler 29 with 3" tyre on the front and 2.8" on the back. Looks pretty cool but not been ridden in snger yet.
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Has anyone put a table together of workable combinations: tyre-rim-fork-frame? I think it would be a great help, might have to volunteer...
Please do! 😀
Sorry for not reading all 19+ pages, but I was thinking of dabbling with some 2.8 NN's, and som advice would be great...:
- Has anyone tried them on a Nukeproof scout (2015)? I think I've got more than a cm of clearance, all the way round the rear tire. (which is a Conti MK 2.4./Rock Razor 2.35)
- Is there a minimum rim width that makes sense not to go under? (I think my current setup is 24mm ID)?
- 2014 RS Revelation fork (non-boost), is there enough room? Current 2.3 DHF has quit alot of clearance too...
There was a table on mtbr with approx sizes of different rim and tyre combinations. Was in the middle of many pages so apologies for not finding it.
Just found a post on bikerumor where...
According to Schwalbe, the tread patterns are the same but have been optimized for a better contact patch and the tires are best suited for a 45mm rim for the 2.8? and a 50mm rim for the 3.0?
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I fitted the Rebas to the Pact today (on the second attempt - I forgot I'd not fitted a SFN). They are currently set up for 120mm travel and the frame was only really designed for 100mm but this was a suck-it-and-see exercise anyway. As a result, the front end is marginally higher, but it doesn't feel bad.
Steering etc is all fine. Front is at 16psi, rear was at 15. If anything, the bike felt immediately more agile on twisty singletrack, but the rear end seemed to feel quite harsh. I reckoned I was being less "subtle" with my riding than with rigid forks and just battering through more. I let a couple of psi out the front (so around 14psi) and quite a bit more out of the rear (around 10-11psi now). That was much better. The front end was still fine and the rear was much happier. No noticeable increase in drag/rolling resistance either.
I'll probably run it like this for a while, possible re-fitting the FBN on the front if it remains relatively dry.
Davros, I have High latitude running 650b plus
I'm running a 2.8nn on a superstar D25mm internal rim. Works well but I don't think any wider rim would work with nobby. 29mm internal might with a ralph. The trailblazer worked with a Hugo rim but changed to nn for the winter mud. Running 3inch on the front on a Hugo but that's in a maverick fork.
Don't think I have 80mm on my 1st gen SIR, & I'm running a 2.8 TB on a 45mm Dually. I'm sure it was actually tighter when I initially mounted it to a 23mm rim. Grip wise I've not had any problems through winter. The Knard up front struggles, but back is fine.
Thanks sticky and takisawa. I'm still tempted to give it a try with some halo vapour wheels, although it appears only the 30mm internal ones are currently available and I wonder if the 45mm would make more sense.
Got any pics of your set up sticky? Has it transformed the ride? Obviously it's quite an expensive experiment so I'm wondering how much difference it would make. I could try the set up on my camber evo too but I suspect it would make the bottom bracket too low.
Can't really compare the ride to 29er wheels as I went straight to 650+. For reference the bb height is 312mm rear axle 370mm. Drop me an email and I'll sort some pics
CRC doing the WTB Trailboss 3.0 at £19.99 has anyone tried these out yet ??
Took the plunge at the weekend. WTB i35 rims front and rear in the high latitude with a singular swift fork on the front. Went with a trailblazer on the back and a 3.0 nobby nick on the front. Pleasantly surprised how much clearance there was in the frame.
Went for the first proper ride tonight, mixture of Man made trails and some natural woodland bits. Initial thoughts are that it's really good fun. Handling is a bit more playful than before and grip was brilliant. Especially noticeable on some of the slippy man made corners under trees where it never really does out. It was a bit bouncy in places so I think i need to experiment with the pressures to see if I can find a sweet spot. Want expecting miracles fully rigid though. So far so good, glad I have it a go.
I've a 3" Trailboss on the way. Will let you know.
3" WTB Trailboss - few mm wider than Nobby Nic 2.8" (surprise....), so not enough clearance on my Solaris. Shame, as it looks a great grippy but fast plus tyre and went up tubelessly, without sealant, straight away.
May try it on the front with Trailblazer rear.
What's the actual weight of the wtb trailboss?
It's quite porky, but quite fragile too. It's the only Plus tyre I've written off with a pinch hole right next to the bead. Used Maxis, Innova, and Vittoria other than these WTBs.
Shame as it's a nice tyre, though did feel squirmy when pushed.
A beefier sidewall would help both the squirminess and the durability issues.
Just deciding on wheels for the Stooge.
Would the Hope Tech DH wheels with 28mm internal make use of b+ tyres or is it worth spending more to go wider?
There are some Halos in the classifieds - [url= http://singletrackmag.com/forum/topic/halo-vapour-35-wheels-275-plus ]XD driver/freehub though[/url]
Alpkit/Sonder Love Mud jobs?
Nice - 27.5x2.8 High Roller Ii
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Just fitted a trailblazer on a wtb i29 in the back of a stumpjumper for 29er (2012) with loads of room to spare. Looks fun with pike and 2.8 NN on the front...
Stooge Mk2 will take i35s on Spec Groundcontrol 3.0'' with lots of mud clearance front and back.
After months of musing, weeks of shopping, days of building, in a few hours, my Buzzard+ takes it's first flight
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Plenty of room for a Rocket Ron 3.0 on i35s in the rear... Front is a Boost Yari
That looks sweet!
Does anyone know what fits in a Remedy 29? I can only find info for the carbon one but I have a plebby Remedy 8 from 2014. Clearance doesn't look massive in the rear but then it doesn't look massive in the Pike either...
Have a look over on mtbr, lots of discussions on what will and wont fit in a remedy.
I can only find it for the boost models... (and the same fuel ex pops up over and over...) Can you help me out?
Hi
Haven't read the whole thread so don't know if this has been covered so.....
After demoing a Specialized Stunpy Fatty and having a giggle me and a mate pondered over whether we could convert my Transition Bandit 29er to 650+?
The short answer is yes- got some DTSwiss 551 rims and built them onto a pair of Hope hubs that were kicking about.
We also used WTB Trailblazer 2.8 tyres as not sure about clearance but there's a little extra space at the rear. Fork is a Pike so more leeway there possibly.
If I were to do it again I'd try a more aggressive front as the Pike fork should take a 3.0 I think-possibly a Nobby Nic or a Purgatory.
Tyre pressure was 18psi but I think that might come down a little-maybe 15 psi
Took it to hamsterley on Saturday and it's a hoot. Had a few pedal strikes but I mainly think that was me just being
careless and a bit more concentration should sort that out.
Going to keep it as it is for the summer but might convert it back to a 29er for the winter-we shall see.
Cheers
Steve
Got a 29er Cove and running 27.5+, trailblazer on i35 on the rear and purgatory on scraper on the front with boost pike. Clearance is okay on the rear, pkenty of measurements on mtbr so you can measure your current bike and see what you can squeeze in.
Toying with the idea of switching my Stooge from a 29+ (LB 31.6mm rims, 3.0 Chronicle / 2.4 Ardent) to a B+ setup (DT Swiss XM 551).
Thinking of 3.25 / 2.8. Are there any other 3.25ish options out there, or just the Vee Fatty?
Will I notice the difference?
Does anyone know what fits in a Remedy 29?
I'm sure I tried my Scraper/Trailblazer combo in the rear and it had enough room to work ok.
The FatBnimble proclaims itself to be 3.5 but it's no wider than the 3" Nobby Nic
Thinking of 3.25 / 2.8. Are there any other 3.25ish options out there, or just the Vee Fatty?
I stuck the 29er wheels back on for Tuesday nightride this week, as there's a new track been built nearby, and the bottom is pretty sloppy, thinking that I'd better get used to riding the slop as it's Tweedlove time soon.
Jesus it felt squirrely, the B+ wheels are going back on, pronto!. Strangely the 26" 2.4 Chunky on my Yeti still feels good....
Hi All
I have a Surly Karate Monkey which I run SS during the winter. I have just converted to 27.5+ and a 1 x 9 for summer.
The difference is amazing, grip levels are fantastic and as it is a rigid frame and fork the comfort level has increased.
Here is the spec for the wheels:
Rims: DT Swiss XM551 40mm
Tyres: Schwalbe Rocket Ron 2.8 (Front), WTB Trailblazer 2.8 (Rear)
I originally had a Rocket Ron on the rear but it was a little too tight and caught on the frame when out of the saddle.
I mostly ride around Epsom and the Downs and run the tyres at 20psi
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Anybody after a pair of Specialized Purgatory's - 3.0" size?
I have a pair with only 2 rides in them- clearance wasn't good enough.
I paid £80 for the pair, would like to get £50.
Cheers,
Paul
Thanks stu!
I've just built up one of the Alpkit Sonder Transmitter frames with Trailblazer 2.8s on WTB Scraper rims front and rear. I'll take some pics and stuff in due course, but in case it helps anyone, I can tell you that a Trailblazer 2.8 fits fine into a standard 650B X Fusion Sweep and that removing Trailblazers set up tubeless on a Scraper rim without tyre levers is interesting... they're quite a tight fit.
They also go sideways in mud, so I'm aiming to stick a 2.8 NN on the front, hopefully it'll fit. I like the Transmitter, but it feels a bit clumsy next to a Ragley Ti, then again the Ragley has a current generation Pike on it which feels a lot sweeter than the Sweep.
[quote=BadlyWiredDog ]removing Trailblazers set up tubeless on a Scraper rim without tyre levers is interesting... they're quite a tight fit.Similarly with the FBN/Scraper
They also go sideways in mud
They go sideways on everything! Mine's ok on the back, I wouldn't run one on the front again. Would quite like to replace the back one - maybe a RR or Ikon/chronicle, but not quite sure how they size up. NN on the front is a decent tyre.
BadlyWiredDog » removing Trailblazers set up tubeless on a Scraper rim without tyre levers is interesting... they're quite a tight fit.
Similarly with the FBN/Scraper
Every tyre I've had on a Scraper has been a mini fight to remove.
Trailblazer,NN 2.8/3, Trax Fatty, Ikon, Rekon and Breakout.
I don't think this combination had been mentioned in this thread yet, I have a Vittoria Bomboloni 27.5 x 3" set up tubeless on a DT XM481 rim (30mm internal). Tyre comes up at 73mm at its widest point, I've tried it in the back of my mk2 Solaris and while it fitted, there was practically zero clearance. It also just about fits in a standard Pike with about 3mm clearance per side.
Not sure if someone's already posted about this, but what width rim tape have folks used to convert 650b plus rims to tubeless? Looking at converting a 40 mm love mud (alpkit) wheelset.
I used stans stuff with duck tape over the top, cut to rim width.
Thanks. The widest stans tape I take it?
Just what I had - 22mm I think. Only needs to cover spoke holes, which are the same on any rim with centred holes.
I used the 50mm WTB tape in my i45 Scrapers
Is the lovemud rim proprietary or is it something standard in disguise?
After much research (lurking), I decided to buy some wide wheels and plus tyres to see if could work for my Genesis figuring I could always return them if they didn't fit the frame/fork. I went for Halo Vapour 35 wheels and 2.8 Nobbly Nics. Clearance at the back is fine, generous even. However I wonder if the clearance on my reba will be sufficient. The sidewalls will be fine, but the nobbles run very close to the fork bulge - a couple of mm only but enough clearance for my mudguard. Will they end up rubbing through wheel flex? I don't plan to use them in serious mud. I can't really justify buying an alternative fork and I can't see any other suitable 2.8 tyres for the front. So I can ride the set up and give it a go, or return it all and forget about it!
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Nobeerinthefridge - Memberthinking that I'd better get used to riding the slop as it's Tweedlove time soon.
Right now, it's so dry that the trails are getting crumbly and harder to ride than they were all winter 😆 Never underestimate all teh ways scottish weather can **** with Tweedlove.
Just in case anyone's wondering, a Nobby Nic 2.8 on a WTB Scraper fits fine in a standard issue 650b X Fusion Sweep, as does a Trailblazer. Was tempted to try a NN 3.0, but didn't want to risk finding it didn't quite squeeze in.
Much more confidence inspiring as a front tyre than the Trailblazer, liking the 650+ float on local Peak rain-washed, rubble trails a lot. 🙂
Ta muchly boxelder and Scotroutes. Clobber, I've no idea, but Neil at alpkit has been very helpful with all my many and varied requests, so should have a good answer for you.
Interesting comparison test here.... about as detailed as you'll manage in a bike magazine.
so where are you getting your plus size tyres from such as reckons and HR2? 27.5 x 2.8 etc
700!
700c?
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I've replaced my SSC ds25 rim in my front wheel with a wtb i35 so that's 10mm wider.
The 2.8 trailblazer is now 68.5mm at its widest which is about 5mm wider than on the ds25.
That also makes it wider than I would run in my Reba though there is 3 or 4mm clearance in each side
Just ordered a Longitude frame set and alpkit wheels (with trailblazer rear / bridger front). Looking forward to joining this thread properly shortly :D.
I've sized down my Stache from 29+ to 650b+ to see the difference
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Tried to show the difference here
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Scraper Rims, Chronicle on the back and new Rekon on the front. Obviously frame is designed to run 3.0 tyres so not an issue but I like both these tyres. Chronicle is fairly amusing in any mud tho.
What's the Rekon like?
Same q - what's the Rekon like, and what's the clearance like? (if those are standard 29er pikes)
Only had one ride but I liked it. Bit more bite than the chronicle (it was wet and slippy after rain). I think I could get away with running it a bit softer as well. had about 14 in there, ran 11 on the 29+ rims. Need to ride it some more but as a front, it feels like a keeper.
@HG - not standard, not pikes, 🙂 They are 2015 29 Yari's boost which'll take ANY 650B tyre I reckon on the 50mm Scrapers but not a 29+ tyre at all. Clearance is awesome. I can take some pics if you like.
Sounds good. Do keep us updated once you've had more time on it though. Does anyone know when we will see the Maxxis minions and high roller 2.8s that appeared at a few of the shows earlier in the year?
Alex - MemberI can take some pics if you like.
No need, was purely to see how a Rekon would play with my own 29 Pikes
Bit more bite than the chronicle
Wouldn't be hard, the Chronicles look almost slick
I'd agree except the Stache came with these puppies.
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The Chronicle was an upgrade 😉 I'm going for a Rekon/Trailblazer combo I think on the 650b+. At least there's a choice - not so much on the 29+ tyres.
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That's a new wheel (as I'd borrowed one to try). WTB scraper on a PRO-4 boost rear hub with a WTB Bridger 3.0 on the back. Quite like the look of the tread pattern. Might not be uber grippy after all this rain but got to be better than a chronicle! See how we get on this weekend.
I like that bridger. Pretty mucky out today. It's not a mud tyre but grips well in the soft conditions. Slips when it gets really muddy but find me a tyre that doesn't. Lots of volume, seems to give me the 29+ cush I was missing with the chronicle on there. Definitely a keeper.
Alex.
Does the Bridger come up bigger or smaller than the Rekon?
Oh bigger. It's a proper 3.0 (rekon is 2.8). Even with that difference tho, it just feels / looks like a big volume tyre. I like the combo. Both were still very floaty where the trail was that horrible 1/4inch of slop on hardback but otherwise great grip climbing and descending. It did slip a couple of times on the climb but it was oggy out there. Mate was riding his stache with a Chronicle on the back and the Bridger definitely climbed better.
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Still room in the back for something even bigger but I reckon a big volume 3.0 is perfect. Fast rolling but grippy. Might not last long in big rocks tho as the casing looks/feels thin.
I'd like to backtrack on my previous comment about the Vittoria Bomboloni fitting in a set of standard pikes, the tyre seems to have settled at 75mm wide after being up for a few weeks and combined with the bit of mud we have at the moment, there isn't really enough clearance.
Have replaced it with a Rekon, which fits fine.
Anyone with a boost fork want to buy a Bomboloni ??
I just did a blog update on selecting my B+ Pact. It might interest a few on here.
http://www.blog.scotroutes.com/2016/06/act-3-bike-caution-nerdsville-ahead.html
Thanks Scotroutes.
Nice article.
Thinking of something similiar myself.
Max
Finally fitted my 2.8 Nobby Nic to the Solaris in a 2012 Reba up front. Love the tyre but only a mm or 2 clearance each side in LB 30mm rims. I had to true the wheels to the tyre rather than the rim to even out the clearance. Love it to ride though so I took a grater to the outer knobs to try and get a bit more clearance, got bored, need to do more in time. Will keep it though as it has such better grip than the TB.
As a newb to this thread I'm looking for some advice. Please...
I'm probably about to drop a deposit on a new gen steel Sherpa and although I've a set of 'Cotic' Asym i29/i35 wheels I'm considering a set of 'proper' B+ wheels.
I'm thinking evo pro II's 142 rear, probably 110 boost front with either i45s or the XM551s. Any advice comments? Oh, and 100-120 forks: what and from where?
Also, where to get these bought/built from, Stanton have indicated £550 inc tyres for evos/scrapers but need to find out exact details. Am I going to be able to improve on that? I'm not a wheel builder so prob best not the set to start on....
I'm thinking Maxxis tyres (Rekon+ and hopefully HR2) although I have a NN 2.8 on the existing. I want it to be able to deal with wet and a bit of mud so no TBs (plus my existing rear is leaking sealant through tyre wall). What else to consider/what's readily available?
And lastly, if I go i45s what can I get away with crank wise. I have a 3x10 XT groupset but doubt that'll fit/work? As a minimum I want to run a double, cable routing means a top swing (I think). As I have the rest of a groupset where best to pick up a 2x10 crank, f/mech and shifter these days? I usually head to Merlin but not much on offer there atm...
Cheers, mh.
