I was admiring a Ron earlier. Looks quite Ralph-y.
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My 3'' NN measures 78mm on my Hugo rims
Its far to big for any of my suspension forks and certainly won't fit in the rear of my frame.
Currently in a rigid fork!
Reading the above it seems my 2.8NN on i35 isn't going to fly in my My 1 Yelli. I've not ridden it yet but it spins freely at setup.
Rats.
I shall report back!
Had an email about this today - [url= http://www.on-one.co.uk/c/q/bikes/mountain-bikes/parkwood-275-plus ]On-One Parkwood 27.5+[/url]. [s]Appears to be only available as a full bike but I'm sure a frame only option will follow[/s]
EDIT: Appears it might just be a 29" Parkwood frame with no additional clearance in the rear stays 🙁
Has anyone successfully got a 45mm Scraper rim and tyre combo to work on a MK1 Yelli?
Before I sell on my Scraper wheelset I might give it one last try and was thinking of trying a WTB Breakout 2.5 tyre but it would be great to have confirmation before buying one.
Cheers
Its been in an email previously dmorts, just before crimbo i think. Its just the 29er frame with 27.5x2.8 trailblazers. I bought a set of the wheels on the xmas deal they did.
STATO, just realised that it's a 29" frame...
Wtb trailblazers and i45s have been used reliably in a mk1 yelli. 2.5 breakouts should not be a problem either.
http://forums.mtbr.com/canfield/yelli-screamy-photo-thread-756696-19.html
Check this guy out. It should answer questions on the mk1 i45 issue.
Thanks for the pointer cvman
cvman33 - Member
Wtb trailblazers and i45s have been used reliably in a mk1 yelli. 2.5 breakouts should not be a problem either.
http://forums.mtbr.com/canfield/yelli-screamy-photo-thread-756696-19.html
For the 2.8 WTB Trailblazers tyre to work it must come up smaller than other manufacturer offerings, I tried to use a Vee Buldozer 2.8 which clears until you ride, I'm sure I have read that the 'Trailblazers' are not too good in mud? and have absolutely no idea about the Breakouts..
I had got to a point of abandoning the project and had a mate after the wheelset with tyres which would have closed it off, but he's now doing something else so I'm just further reviewing.
It's almost trying to do it for the sake of it but then again a semi fat Yelli is a heap of grin to ride! but im reluctant to throw much more money at it.
The trail blazer knobs don't stick out much sideways so they clear frames well for their carcass size - eg they work fine in my Reba but if I fit my purgatory they don't clear even though the carcass is near enough the same size.
In deep mud, on the front, the tb is rubbish. I've found it OK on the back though
Side issue: it's gratifying to see all the Yelli on here! My fave frame.
I've have a mate who has been using a 27.5 x 2.5 Breakout on the rear of his Stooge with superstar 25mm internal rims. Apparently a very good grippy tyre for all conditions, but not the greatest at clearing mud if's sticky (not a problem at the moment 🙁 ). Comes up pretty big and still room in the frame, close enough to b+ to be worth it and still work in the mud is the essence of it.
davidxbrown
I'll give you my take on your rim/tyre/frame combo.
All tried on a MK2 Yelli.(so a tad more room)
i45 with 2.8TB worked ok until it got muddy. Then I personaly found there wasn't enough clearance and it jammed up with mud/ didn't grip very well.
Swapped the i45 rim for an i35 to get more clearance.
So far on the i35 i've had a 2.8NN great tyre but buzzed the chainstays a very small amount on hard cornering.
2.8 TB witch I've cut the center knobs on to allow it to dig in a bit more. That seems ok in all but real crappy/sticky mud.
2.5 Breakout great clearance and works well in the mud but not quite tall enough for my liking.
So for now I'm just switching between the TB and Breakout depending where i'm riding until my proper B+ bike turns up.
Though I may also trim the outer edges on the NN so it doesn't rub under hard cornering.
The benefits of B+ are IMO twofold:
1. More volume gives better cushioning
2. More rubber on the ground gives better traction
The 2.8 WTB's win on the first count, not so much on the second. The width of the tread is no more than a regular 2.4" tyre (this was intentional so that it would fit most any 29" frame) so you don't really have any more rubber on the ground other than that you might gain from running lower pressure thanks to the higher volume and use of a wide rim.
A 2.5 doesn't really cover either base of significantly more volume or rubber on the ground. Not saying that means they can't be a great tyre, just that you can't really put them in the same bracket as true plus size >2.8 tyres.
That said, with the proliferation of new >2.3 tyres on the market at pretty much every increment all the way through to 5.0 it can only mean more choice for riders and everyone has a better chance of finding the tyre which is right for them!
A 2.5 doesn't really cover either base of significantly more volume or rubber on the ground.
The 2.5 Breakout is as wide as the TB but the tread goes all the way to the edge. It's not quite as tall but does put more rubber on the ground.
What frame are you getting Stu?
re Sam's note, the big win for me was, lower pressure as a consequence of the higher volume. It made my hardtail a 'softail'.
Thanks for the input Singlespeedstu, I reckon you have basically confirmed my thinking after the weekend ride, the Yelli MK1 frame is just a bit too tight on the chainstays unless you are prepared to accept rubbing or compromise with a smaller tyre.
The Yelli is a great bike and it makes me smile all day long as a 29er so I'm out for the time being on 27.5+
So who wants to buy some one ride old WTB Scrapers with tyres?
Just bookmarking thread for when my new bits are built-up and ready to show you. 😉
Lots of 3" tyres in the shops now, struggling to find any 2.8" for sale beyond the TrailBlazer. Specifically looking for 2.8 Schwalbes.
I've been reading the stuff on the Cotic website by Cy Turner and Paul Dexter (very experienced knowledgable guys) about the Solaris 2 development history. My rigid legacy Salsa frame is a lot narrower than their Solaris 2, so I'm going real conservative to start off with.
My Salsa is currently setup 2.25 Nobby Nic rear and 2.35 Hans Dampf front on 29er Arch rims: - I run at about 27psi/23-22psi. I really like the rigid experience, but I want just a bit more capability and cush for faster, rattly stuff (did some trails at Rivington Pike, Lancs on New Year's Day for example), whilst still keeping the whole setup really light and fast-rolling. My riding is slower and my trails less radical & hardcore than what the Cotic crew do, so I hope to learn from them, but adopt a lighter, slightly scaled-down ('Skinny-Chubby') solution more suited to me. Well that's the theory! 😀
I'm going try a '79er' setup!
I've ordered Easton Arc rims: (lighter weight than Aysms but not too expensive). I've ordered a 650b, 27mm width rear and 29er, 30mm width front. I really like the Hans Dampf, so to start off, I'm gonna stick with my current HD 29er front tyre and I've bought a new 2.35 HD (27.5 version for the rear). I reckon those tyres will come up w-a-y bigger than my current setup and I'll be able to drop pressure lots if I want to. I've not done the calculations but I don't think I'll be adding much weight.
In some cases I found b+ had less grip.
In the current conditions the wider tyres do not cut into the slop like a narrower 29" will. They do not float like a full fat bike.
I wanted my b+ to work for winter, but I found the 29" was better on everything bar comfort (hard tail yelli).
I'll investigate again in the summer.
Cheers - Interesting. I find the rear 29er Nobby Nic @ current pressure will loose grip and spin out on some steep slippy bits. I really like the HD front (better grip and still rolls well) but a 29er version won't go in the rear end of my frame. Best I can so is experiment.
Interesting, i've been pondering a 7+9er too. No interest in getting a new frame and fork to give full b+ clearance, and very happy with current 29er frame. So, thinking that a 30-35mm rear rim and 2.8 will give some grip and extra cush (for hardtail), and wider 29 rim at the front with whatever choice of 29er front tyre. The wheels would remain fairly light (compared with big 45mm rims) and cheapish. It'll also slightly slacken the bike, with trade off being a little bit of BB drop. Reckon it would make a swift, soft, grippy rear, and a nice big rolling, grippy front without too much weight added.
From other's experience it sound like a normal 29 rear is better in winter, so option to swap back whenever needed. Not sure if it's worth the bit of faff and cost though...
The first time I heard of a 79er was in a 2010 Steve Worland WMB article about his custom-built rigid Pacenti. He tried lots of experiments and really liked the combo of Pacenti 650b rear wheel and a 29er at the front. The sizes are close enough that you only need to carry one size of inner tube for emergenices. 😀
I tried that set up and it appeared to be the best of both worlds. 27.5+ rear for comfort and climbing traction, 29" front just felt more lively and better grip.
Bit more information to add to this thread, potentially save someone else the trouble of discovery...
2.8" Nobby Nic on WTB i45 will fit and spin in a Stanton Sherpa but mud or out of true rims are definitely going to cause rub on the stays, not recommended.
Same tyre and rim combination will fit in an X fusion trace and has clearance around the tyre tread but the side walls run very close to the fork bulge; there's maybe 2mm per side at 15psi, they almost rub at 30psi! Since low pressures are one of the alleged advantages of B+ I'm going to say this is a goer.
Now off to get a Trailblazer for the rear unless the Rocket Ron 2.8" is in shops yet...
I don't see your logic Sam.
More volume/height is what allows lower pressure (and comfort).
At the same time the contact patch gets bigger giving you more grip.
It's not the width of the tyre that determines this.
OK, so what's the chance of a Nobby Nic 2.8 working in a 2012 Revelation 29er fork? From the comments above it looks as though it might be too tight, but not sure.
What width rim? It'll probably be ok on a medium with rim (say 25-30mm internal)
I've got a 2.8NN in that era revelation on an i35. It fits fine, and is a good tyre.
STATO - Member
Lots of 3" tyres in the shops now, struggling to find any 2.8" for sale beyond the TrailBlazer. Specifically looking for 2.8 Schwalbes.
Mine should arrive tomorrow from bike-components.de
Perfect. Thanks nemesis @ ianpv. They'd be going onto some WTB Asym 35 rims on my Mk1 Solaris (Asym 29 on the rear). I think I might try a NN Pacestar (rear) and Trailstar (front) combo.
Mine should arrive tomorrow from bike-components.de
Cheers, they were out last time i looked. Still no 2.8 Ron's in the shops yet tho.
@ STATO /www.greyville.com/products/12168-ty1783z-schwalbe-rocket-ron-tyre-275-x-280-liteskin-folding
Cheers.
Just spotted that [url= http://nextdaytyres.co.uk/search.aspx?search=27.5%2b ]Nextdaytyres [/url]now list Schwalbe 27.5+ tyres. Tho RR are only in liteskin at the moment.
Specifically looking for 2.8 Schwalbes.
I have some NN 2.8s that I am playing with right now. Good tyres (never thought I would use the word Good in conjunction with Nobby Nics). Size wise though they aren't really a + tyre (what is?). They come up around 28.1" tall, which is about where 27.5 would be if naming conventions were actually followed and you wanted a 27.5 wheel to actually split the difference between a 26 & 29er....
Size wise though they aren't really a + tyre (what is?). They come up around 28.1" tall, which is about where 27.5 would be if naming conventions were actually followed and you wanted a 27.5 wheel to actually split the difference between a 26 & 29er....
Yeah ill likely only be using the 2.8 on the rear of my 'enduro' bike. That height loss would be ok for both on the hardtail (Salsa El-Mar), as the BB is quite high anyway, but not sure it would fit in the frame just yet.
STATO - MemberCheers, they were out last time i looked. Still no 2.8 Ron's in the shops yet tho.
Got a set here on my desk right now.
Rons in stock here
NN's are 2-7 days (but when Bike Components say that, they actually mean it, they do arrive just a few days slower)
Hmmm...
It's very tempting to have a go at B+ on the spectral 29er. Looks like a NN 2.8 will be fine on the front (pikes) anyone any idea if the rear is okay?.
In my experience it depends on how much the stays 's' for clearance which seems to more of an issue with hardtails than full suss. There's tyre measurements for a nic ( think it's c. 70mm) in this thread, use that to measure across the stays where the top of a 29er rim would be to get an idea as that'll be roughly where the fat part of the plus tyre sidewall is.
Honourablegeorge, do you measure real weight of this new DT rims? And how it works tubeless, it looks like "hookless" rims inside.
Serg... no, I just dropped them to the LBS to be built up.... didn't weigh ghem
Thanks for the link to NextDayTyres. A nice easy web site to navigate and the tyres I ordered on Monday did indeed turn up yesterday. I went with Nobby Nic 2.8 in the pacestar (rear) trailstar (front) combo to go on my Mk1 Solaris with 2012 Dual Air Rev forks. I'm using wheels (provided by Cotic) with WTB Asym rims (i29 rear and i35 front).
Setting the tyres up tubeless on these rims was fairly straightforward. They went up with just a track pump and a bit of washing up liquid. The hardest bit was getting the tyre off the bead seat. I put a tube in to seat the tyre, puped it up so that the bead popped onto the seat, then found it really tough to push it back off the seat again to get the tube out. I guess that should help prevent it burping not it's on though.
In terms of size the nobby nics come up a touch wider than the trailblazers I had before. I had to remove my Mucky Nutz guard from the front and use a neoguard instead. Clearance was tight with the TBs and the Mucky Nutz anyway, but I could just make it work. Clearance without the guard looks OK with the NN though.
Not had a chance to ride it yet, but looking forward to having a bit of grip in the slop!
I've had a couple of rides on the Solaris with the 2.8 Nobby Nics now; one rather greasy/muddy night ride and one in the snow at the weekend.
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I'd agree with the comments from one of the other threads that the 2.8 NN is basically just a high volume version of the trail tyre that we all know. I understand that the 3.0 version is on a different (lighter) carcass, but the 2.8 is just a bigger version of the standard tyre. If (like me) you find that Nics tend to suit where and how you ride quite well, you'll probably like the 2.8 version. If (like some people) you hate them I wouldn't bother with the chubby version.
Compared with the Trailblazers that I was running before, you get the same float (at the same pressures) but with much more grip and traction in slippery conditions. Of course, grip, traction and drag are all related so I'd assume that these will be slower than the TBs but I've not managed to test that yet as riding in mud and snow traction trumps drag every time.
Mk 1 Yelli, 2.8Nic on WTB i35, no go - tyre deformation is enough to rub, it's not on the whole spin, about 25% of it.
Any suggestions other than put a Trailblazer on (which will clear I know)?
Update to above: I took the Nic off and put a Trailblazer on, it gives a couple of mm of clearance each side. I rode 30km of Leith Hill slop last night, it worked well, no clearance issues at all,l though I'm glad I still had the Nic on the front. The TB is fine on the back.
I'm sold on the format, it's enough to take the sting out of a pretty stiff frame especially on roots and rubble. Good times.
I'd be interested in what a dedicated b+ frame would ride like with a bigger tyre, tho I also love I can put my 29 wheels back on the Yelli if I want. (Not sure I ever will though).
^ I said the same, but it's just so more lively/jumpy/poppy on the lighter 29" wheels.
Found these yesterday for anybody after a cheap wheelset (£199.00!).....
https://www.alpkit.com/products/love-mud-rumpus-boost-wheelset
I had another go in the snow using the Nobby Nic 2.8s on my Solaris. As I was climbing a bit of a hill I noticed some tyre tracks from another rider. What struck me was how much they seemed to be moving the front wheel (presumably to keep balance on the climb). Obviously you can't read too much into the tracks of some random person you've never met, but it was interesting how much straighter my track was with the chubby tyres, which just seemed to trundle up the hill without much fuss.
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I pick up my new wheels tomoro, 2.8NN's fitted tubeless that night, and first #FullSussBeePlus ride soon after. 😀
Specialized Purgatorys fitted with WTB Asym based wheels to my Trek Sawyer.
Looking very chunky.
Pics to follow.
And measurements, please 🙂
Yep, measurements more important than pics! 😆
Considering I35s with spesh 3" tyre so measurements very useful, and pics. Think I'm going boost on the front as build requires new fork anyway.
I reckon I can get 650B+ in the back of my Shand (Mrs). I think I have a 29er rim I can cut down.
Is 45 the going rate for a 3 inch tyre worth buying? anyone got one to sell?
2.8 Schwalbe Nobby Nic does NOT fit in a Manitou Tower Pro fork, even with a measly SS DS25 rim. It's more down to the Manitou 'power bulge'. Pity as the rear of my 2013 steel Charge Cooker has plenty of clearance. Gonna leave the rear in and put my 29 2.4 Chunky Monkey back on front. A 1 deg works component headset is currently winging its way to my house!
Just put a nn2.8 and tb 2.8 on 27.7 external dt swiss rims into a new 29er camber evo and I've got so much room I could of gone straight to 3.0 's. As I'm using a fairly narrow rim would going to say a 34mm external rim widen out the tyres noticeably or would it be a waste of money on new wheels?thanks.
Well, 2.8NN on i35 is just too big for spectral 29er, unfortunately. Wads of room on the Pike though, so I'll just need to run a 2.5 on the rear.
First proper ride last night, so much grip on the rooty singletrack coming off the moor, 15psi in the front, reckon I could probably lose a few psi tbh.
slightly the wrong way round, but anyone running "normal" tyres on "plus" rims?
Thinking of getting a Norco Torrent, but from what I've heard, narrower tyres might be better for the real winter filth (by narrower, I mean 2.25 Magic Marys, or 2.5 Minion!)
Quite a few of my mates run standard tyres on their wide rims - mainly IBIS. They seem to like them.
Well, 2.8NN on i35 is just too big for spectral 29er, unfortunately. Wads of room on the Pike though, so I'll just need to run a 2.5 on the rear.
Tried a Trailblazer? It comes up around 5mm narrower than the 2.8 Nic.
As a guide, a 2.8 Nic rubs (very gently, but persistently) on one chainstay of my Yelli, a TB clears with 2-3mm each side. I've ridden the TB through all kinds of slop and crap, the clearance is enough, no problem at all. I'm on an i35 rim.
I've ordered a 2.5" WTB Breakout Matt, came this morning, but I'll bear that in mind thanks.
After easily fitting the TB on Dt Swiss 535 rims on my camber evo 29er I tried on my Shan 917. Too tight at the back which I pretty much guessed at. Then I put them on my 2souls slim jim and they fitted with room to spare with a Dt Swiss 29er fork. I might even go 3.0 on the front but tight on the back.
So ive finally found a set of tyres im happy with .Had some pretty horrible muddy wet weather down here in cornwall and the 3.0 NN and RR in my bigwig have coped just fine which means there's a 2.8 NN and a trimmed down ground control from my experiments with the codeine in the classifieds if anyone is looking for one.
So what tyre/rim size is going on the codeine then? Its a possible frame for plus build so curious.
Turned it back in to a 29er the only tyres that had any sort of resonable clearance were trailblazers on a 25mm id rim but dont think they are really suitable for British weather i.e wet !! Also I thought plus tyres on a mid travel full susser was a bit overkill really unless your always riding very rough trails . I had a go on a mondraker crafty plus at the weekend and was left with the same impression. In my opinion they are far better suited to a nice hardtail like my bigwig
Ah ill cross it off the list then.
are you running the recommended 170mm cranks on the B+ bigwig?
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Afternoon all! Took my plus build out for the first time this weekend. Also riding an Orange Segment. Loved it! Fast rolling, fun, nimble enough. Didn't leave me wishing I'd brought the segment along one bit. It'll ride anything. Bit of rub on the chain stays even though Stanton now sell it as a plus capable frame but I do mean a bit and only from the slop we were wading through.
Cheers,
Dave.
Has anyone put a table together of workable combinations: tyre-rim-fork-frame? I think it would be a great help, might have to volunteer...
This was doing it for me today...
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Next move is to fit the Rebas and see how well it works with some suspension.
From todays ride B+ and suss seems to work very well.
Propper late heavy braking and daft offcamber lines.
Loving it. Had. Corker of a ride in the Galloway hills today, even got a KOM on a rocky descent, despite my bad line choices and lack of pedalling. #fullsussbeeplus
New convert here first time 650b plus rider and very happy just need to mess around with tire pressures http://www.pinkbike.com/photo/13285586/ In shop before homeward bound
Bobby nic 2.8's running fine in mk1 Tallboy with Rebas.
Are the 2.8 R Rons as wide as N Nics?
Morning all, I'm considering converting my Genesis High Latitude to semi-fat.
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Looks like I've got 80mm of clearance where it counts on the stays. Can anyone tell me whether this would give sufficient clearance to run a 2.8 (probably a nobbly nic) on some 30mm rims?
Running a reba up front so I think I'll be restricted to 2.8 there too.
Cheers
