Will measure it, on paper it is over 100g lighter than the ground control too.
FatBNimbles on Scrapers and 2x11.
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Got my nobby nic, no box and has a one deformed nob (don't laugh) so think it is probably a factory reject or something but for £29 I'm not to bothered seems reasonable weight will try and get it on the front today.
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The nobby nic looks good! Could be a good all round tyre.
What rim are you putting this on? Any chance of some measurements once fitted?
Will be on my 38mm rival. Will measure when it's on. Will take measurements for ground control and purgatory on the same rim too.
Brilliant! Cheers Wiggles.
I've got some TB's but would like something more aggressive for the front/winter.
I'll report back on how the purgatory compares to the TB after tonight's ride... (I've done one ride on it but sod's law all the technical stuff I rode was dry...)
I reckon it'll be better but I still don't think it'll be like a proper mud tyre. Would like to be wrong.
Very interested to know if the 2.8 nobbly nic is going to fit in a rev - the trailblazer is pretty poor as a front tyre in the wet.
I've had three rides on them on my solaris now, and have lost the front wheel every time (I actually crashed last night!). I also lose the back a fair bit but that is fun for the most part 🙂 Have settled on around 12 PSI front and 14 rear, and love the feel of the bike, but the lack of cornering ability is a let down. I like the concept of B+, but am now wondering whether I'll have to do it properly (boost fork, new hub, 3"tyre) to get the most out of it.
Go rigid and it's less of an issue 🙂
I agree on the TB though - works nicely in the dry but no good in mud.
Yes, same problems here with the TB on a Solaris. I enjoyed it in the dry but the lack of traction in the wet has sent me back to my 29er with it's nobby nic / hans dampf setup.
Wiggles,
Could you measure the tyre pulled flat bead to bead?
Interested to see how these size up.
Thanks
@alexh it certainly is just that.
Felt extremely confidence inspiring last night in the muck and slop .And even though there's very little clearance in the back ive still not had any frame rubs . The ground control feels a lot draggier compared to the TB but i have no complaints about the purgatory. Might just leave it like this for the winter and wait till a few more manufacturers release their efforts .And if its any help to anybody both the Purgatory and Ground Control 3.0 measured up at 2.9 inches on a 25mm internal rim.
On my 38mm rims my nobby nic measures around 75mm and looks like I should have some more grip! Same size as the ground control but much more aggressive. The ground control is great for the back thouybut might as well sell my spare if someone wants it.
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That looks good - I hope the 2.8 comes up smaller as that'll never fit in RS non boost forks like mine, by the looks of it...
Luckily my boost rebas have plenty of clearance. Really want some 34's though...
hmm just read on mtbr that the 2.8 NN is a comparable size to a trailblazer. May have to preorder from the germans...
As it turns out the TB on the i35 fits in the back of a T129 SCR offering slightly more clearance than a 2.2 beaver on 23mm 29er rim. Who'd a thought it 😀 !
The nic is sweet!
No loss of grip at all on super sloppy trails today, doesn't roll bad either. Had major issues with the ground control on the rear though... Gone past the limit of how wet it can handle even as a rear so might go for a purgatory or hold out for the schwalbe
As it turns out the TB on the i35 fits in the back of a T129 SCR offering slightly more clearance than a 2.2 beaver on 23mm 29er rim. Who'd a thought it !
Wow. Win!
hmm just read on mtbr that the 2.8 NN is a comparable size to a trailblazer. May have to preorder from the germans...
Where from?
@mattig
I found some showing in stock at bike-components.de, ordered last night so if you want to wait till the end of the week I could put up some dimensions. I'm kinda hoping they are somewhere between a trail blazer and a ground control.
I'd appreciate that thanks. Hoping it'll fit in a Pike on an i35 rim.
Just fitted a Nobby Nic 2.8 to a WTB Scraper rim and it measures 70mm at the wides point. So it's the same size as the Trail Blazer.
I'll get a pic of it posted up soon.
[quote=singlespeedstu ]Just fitted a Nobby Nic 2.8 to a WTB Scraper rim and it measures 70mm at the wides point. So it's the same size as the Trail Blazer.
I'll get a pic of it posted up soon.Cheers. Feedback on performance in the slop would be appreciated too. Might be an alternative to the FBN
So ordered my NN 2.8 from Germany on Sunday evening and they turned up today in proper schwalbe boxes. popped them on and went out for a quick bimble around my local trails in deepest darkest dampest Cornwall .First thing was clearance, definitely a lot better in the codeine than the specialized offerings ,they came up at 69mm tread width on a 25mm id rim.
The most surprising thing about them was how well they rolled very impressive for what looks like a quite aggressive tread pattern .Grip wasn't quite as good as the purgatory but very close (think that might of been pressures) Also with the tread blocks being so far apart it did seem to handle the slop particularly well .
And finally the weight a definite improvement here the bike felt a lot more responsive. but we will have to see how those side walls hold up over the next few weeks !!
Where in Germany?
Where in Germany?
bike-components.de
How does the outer diameter measure up on the 2.8 schwalbe plus compared to a 29er tyre, 2.35 schwalbe for arguments sake?
Nic ordered, thanks.
Just collected today, but rain stopped any chance of a ride later. Also just received a 2.8 Nobby Nic, so will get that fitted on the back, and hopefully out on the weekend to give it a blast.
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That looks ace! Is it a Kingdom?
Annoyingly I've already set my TBs up tubeless. I'll order some NNs and see how I get on with the TBs.
Thomasgeorge - lovely bike.
Cokie, yes, the vendetta boost. It started as a bespoke, but Chris at Kingdom like the idea, so available to anyone, and he has one for himself. I got the TB as an experiment to see what would go in standard forks, and whilst they did fit, it was very tight, and no chance of anything bigger, so decided to get the 'boost' ones fitted. I tried the purgatory 3in in the rear, but also too close for comfort, so the NN it is for the moment. Like to try a Maxxis Rekon+ whenever they are released.
Too many posts on here to go through, but has there been any posts about converting a stumpy expert evo 29er to 27.5+ ?? I've seen a post on another forum and it seemed ok as the rear end is fairly wide.
My TB on the rear coped pretty well with last weekend in and around Aviemore - wet, mud, snow, snowy mud, muddy snow.
NNs on the way now though.
For anyone wondering about converting a 2Souls QH I found this image of a slimjim with b+. Can't read German though!
http://www.mtb-news.de/forum/t/wir-warten-auf-b.750243/page-10
Anyone got a pic of clearance for a 2.8 Nic in a 29er Pike?
Someone needs to put all this infor into a spreadsheet so people can cross reference tyre width depending on what rubber and what rim
off you go... 😉
haha, my frame wont fit b+ so I have only a passing interest, someone who needs this info could do it better justice.
Got a purgatory control 3.0 on scraper rim, just fits A Pike 29er. Had to remove mudhugger though. Still awaiting Maxxis Rekon if I'm honest. Will give purgatorys a good test on Sunday and post my feelings.
If anybody is thinking about a NN 2.8 you might want to have a look in the classifieds 😉
What forks are ppl running these 2.8" to 3" on? Does it need to be plus specific or will 29er forks work?
The narrower tyres run on standard RS forks and Fox are a bit wider. Rim width affects them obviously, but a 45mm Dually with WTB TB tyre fits easily in Revelations. Have you read further up this thread - lots of info.
Ryu - why are you getting rid of the nic.........assuming boxelder has already sent you the money naturally 😉
I've sent nowt........dish it
So before i had the NN on ,ive always tried to have matching brands when it comes to tyres. Previous to the schwalbes i had a purgatory and a ground control 3.0 but didn't feel happy with the clearance but did like the grip of the purgatory which i think is a better option for a front .so what i have done is ordered a 3.0 NN from merlin in trailstar compound. just got back from a quick blast and im happy with it ,so i have a 2.8 NN spare .Hope all that make sense
@boxelder haven't received any mail
bungalistic - Member
What forks are ppl running these 2.8" to 3" on? Does it need to be plus specific or will 29er forks work?
I've yet to find a 3" tyre on a 25mm id rim that wont fit in a standard 29er pike.
As a very random thing but since the NN looks more like a mud tyre than most other b+ tyres, has anyone got a Bonty Mud or similar that they could picture next to a NN?
ryu1720 - it bounced back from the address in your profile (maybe I edited incorrectly). I was asking if it was one or a pair, but see it's one, so I'll leave it (thought I sniffed a bargain pair :oops:). Got a pair arriving from Germany.
I have now 🙂 how are folk finding the tight clearance in the muddy conditions?Have you read further up this thread - lots of info
I've got a 2.8 trailblazer and a 2.8 vee Trax fatty that's surplus to requirements now.
alexhayes1981 at gmail .com
Apologies for minor hijack.
Hey Guys
I've got WTB 2.8 trailblazer's on My Charge Cooker which is 2 months old and just had my first puncture on the front.
I had hell of a job getting the tyre off and then back on again with my Specialized EMT MTB tyre levers which when used on my 2.2 29er tyres are a piece of cake to get off.
What do you guys use??
My 2.8 Nobby nic just arrived. It's a fair bit bigger than a trailblazer IMO. Here are some pics mounted tubeless on an i35 in a 2012-ish revelation. It is pretty marginal, and if it stretches it will definitely rub. The side knobs are slightly higher than the narrowest point of the fork. I can stick it in a pike if anyone is interested. Looks a decent tyre, but I think it is going to be too big...
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Here it is in comparison to a trailblazer on an i29:
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Tyres measures, bead to bead laid flat:
Panaracer FBN, 3.5" (used and stretched) = 190mm
N Nic 2.8 (new, unstretched) = 168mm
N Nic comes up bigger than TB, but fits the Rev forks better than the FBN (on 45mm rim)
N Nic went up easily tubeless too, unlike the Panaracer.
N Nic comes up bigger than TB
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Both mounted on a Scraper.
TB has now stretched to 71mm so I'd say they're pretty much the same size as each other on a 45mm rim.
OK, but I was referring to tread width. The bit that gives the contact patch. Volume/height are very similar.
Volume/height are very similar.
Agreed.
Just finished my 650b+ build- Zealous Division Mk2 with i35s on ProIIs with WTB TB tyres. This setup up has masses of mud clearance at the back. The revelation has plenty of clearance too.
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Ordered a NN 2.8 last week from www.bike-components.de
Emailed today to say no stock until well into next year.
Anywhere else got stock of NN 2.8?
looking good Cokie.
Bad luck Variflex. My 2.8 Nic (ordered 3rd) has shipped. I'll report clearance on Pike and Yelli Screamy when I get it.
Slam69 had some posted on their FB page
Super thanks BigH - Slam69 came up trumps 🙂
I didn't feel the love for plus in the current conditions. I'll try again in the spring but I've reverted back to 29" for now.
Liking the zealous division, but I'm not sold on the trailblazer as a front tyre
Late to the thread so apologies if this has been done already but someone on MTBR has done a Fattie conversion on a 2015 Spesh Enduro
http://forums.mtbr.com/specialized/official-specialized-enduro-thread-776419-68.html#post12307536
I didn't feel the love for plus in the current conditions. I'll try again in the spring but I've reverted back to 29" for now.
I was in a similar position a week ago. I loved the B+ setup on my Solaris when I first tried it a few months back, but recently in the winter slop I've just not been enjoying it and had reverted back to my Smuggler 29er.
Then, last week, it really was too grotty for me to want to take the Smuggler out on a night ride, so I grabbed the Solaris from the shed. I hadn't touched it for a while and the tyres had obviously lost some air. Checking it when I got back I was actually running around 7psi. But it felt really good in the slop at that pressure. Right up until I tried to loft the front over a pothole and felt the rear rim slam into the edge of the hole! I had to back off a bit after that, which runined the fun a bit, but I wonder if there is some magic pressure that would work in the current conditions.
Ultimately though, I'm thinking that procore might be a better solution for me. The B+ wheels are heavier than my 29er wheels so 29er plus procore shouldn't be any heavier than B+. You can still run the low pressures but without the risk of damaging the rim and a 29er with a decent width rim would still give plenty of volume I guess. Plus, of course, you've got a full range of tyres to play with.
I'll be interested to see how the trailblazers cope with the snow (which can't be far off now) though.
Given my experience with fatbikes I reckon Plus will be fine once we get the right tyres. We need a 3" Nate.
I am building a set of 29er wheels for my Pact too though.
Im no expert as Im very new to the whole thing, but I feel you just cut your cloth accordingly.
I ride in the FoD which has it's fair share of mud to say the least. So what if my tyres aren't optimum for slop, the moments when I get superb rollability on the good bits more than make up. Plus it gives me a good excuse to ride like a girl down steep stuff that should be better left for dryer conditions 🙂
I just love the way you can ride off piste over stuff that leave others struggling. Anyhow, im running purgatorys front and rear and they're good enough for me..ehem..until maxxis release the rekon
Why on earth anyone would run the trailblazer as a front tyre for anything other than a bike packing style bike is beyond me. Look at the tread pattern on it?! That Zealous, although it looks nice, seems a bit pointless if the bike is ridden as it was designed. A higher volume tyre doesn't suddenly defy all previously known grip levels. I'm going to guess that a tyre with a properly meaty loose condition tread pattern and carcass would weigh a 'kin ton. Think there was someone on mtbr saying the dirt wizard, which appears to be the most aggressive at the moment as far as I can see, comes in at 1300g. Looking forward to getting the chubby nics on my hardtail but they're not going to be holy grail of grip in all conditions.
I'd proved to myself that for the type of riding I use my ht for, it's quicker as a 29". It feels more lively and it digs into slop.
That said I always thought i was having more fun on the 27.5+!
I've just moved the wide rimmed wheels onto the bike I use for uplift/fun days out, so I still have the option to go back to this set up in the spring.
@alex
Same here, as much as I like my codeine in plus size format it is an awful lot of bike for the majority of riding that I do and coupled with the fact that the wheels are in a frame not specifically designed for them, and for that reason I'm going to put them in a frame better suited to them a long low slack steel hardtail!!
Given my experience with fatbikes I reckon Plus will be fine once we get the right tyres. We need a 3" Nate.
Just received a 3" Nobby Nic from Merlin and its not far off! I think these merlin tyres must be an early batch as quite a few of the centre threads on mine are a little under-formed (small depressions in the centre or edge).
Just need to decide which bike to run 27+ on, the fat bike, or the 29er. Not sure the 29er will clear 3" tyres 😕
[quote=STATO ]Given my experience with fatbikes I reckon Plus will be fine once we get the right tyres. We need a 3" Nate.
Just received a 3" Nobby Nic from Merlin and its not far off! Cool! It was likely to be that or a Purgatory
Agreed. Received mine today and it looks like it could be just the ticket. All I need now are some wheels to mount it on 😕
^^ got wheels need tyres!
@gotama
Superstar components are doing a special on tesla/ryde trace enduro wheel builds today 29mm id rims for £235
Thanks but I have some i35 on hope coming from just riding along. I'm also waiting on the forks from Loco so in honest I'm short of more than just wheels 🙂 Once I get the wheels though i will probably stick them in my Prime for a giggle. That said I'm missing a 2.8 Nic as well 😉
Lol just checked your profile e-mail 😉 It should be with you today or Monday I reckon ,let me know if there's any problems. Hopefully will be picking up my new bigwig frame tonight will post some pics if I get time over the weekend.
No worries, I was only joking. Bigwig should be a lot of fun.
