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[Closed] 51mm offset Pikes on a transition sentinel - Will I die?

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Following on from This I've got a sentinel frame on its way to me. So I am thinking about parts compatibility for what I will be moving over from the broken smuggler.

One point of slight concern is forks. The forks I have on the smuggler are 160mm pikes with a 51mm offset. The sentinel requires a 160mm fork but a 43mm ish offset. Sentinels also tend to get built with a fox 36 or lyric which is one step up in terms of stiffness/capability compared to the pike.

So my question is whether there are going to be any noticeably bad handling characteristics as a result of sticking the pike on it?

I think i will probably put the pikes on initially to see how they feel. However I am quite tempted to seek out a set of lyrics or 36s if they will be noticeably better.

I would have a use for the pikes on another bike (beefing a Cotic Solaris up a bit - would drop the travel to 120mm).

I'm a pretty heavy rider so probably find limits of stiffness after than most.

Any Thoughts?


 
Posted : 19/11/2021 12:56 pm
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I wouldn’t worry about the offset. On my Bird Aether I’ve run a 37mm offset Pike and maybe it was a 42 or 46mm Lyrik and apart from the Pike feeling poppier I didn’t massively notice a difference. The Pike has the ultimate rc2 damper vs a charger 2 rct3 in the Lyrik.

At 160mm travel if you’re heavy / a hard rider the 36 or Lyrik (or Zeb or 38) would be stiffer though.

I’d just try the Pike and see how you get on.


 
Posted : 19/11/2021 1:04 pm
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I ran 160 yari with the wrong offset for about a year on my sentinel with no bother. Moved to zebs with correct offset now and havent noticed a specific difference from the change in offset.


 
Posted : 19/11/2021 1:06 pm
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Thanks @tenburner how do the Zebs feel in comparison to the yari? Thought they would be maybe a step too burly (thinking of weight mainly)

I have Zebs on my ebike and they are and awesomely stiff fork.


 
Posted : 19/11/2021 1:08 pm
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You probably won’t even know the difference in offset. I think Mike Kazimer from PinkBike even said that if it you had him blind testing different offsets he probably couldn’t tell the difference.

And pikes will be fine stiffness wise, they’re still a pretty burly fork, but the fork manufacturers are just trying to tell us we all need fat 38mm forks or we’ll die.


 
Posted : 19/11/2021 2:23 pm
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I'd say defo try it.

I'm heavy-ish at 95kg and I have found that I could get the non-boost pikes to flex a bit.

Certainly a Marz Z1 is stiffer.

Regarding the offset, you'll not notice.


 
Posted : 19/11/2021 2:58 pm
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And pikes will be fine stiffness wise

I think thought there is a difference between fine and better. Pikes at 120-140mm all good, but at 160mm I would defo move onto the lyrik. Especially as you are a bigger rider.

I used 150mm 36 on my smuggler though 🙂


 
Posted : 19/11/2021 3:05 pm
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It’s a new frame and rake is just one part of the feel of a bike, you won’t really notice anything, and can always bring it back with changes to stem length, bar width, bar rise, etc, etc.


 
Posted : 19/11/2021 3:21 pm
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Thanks for thoughts. The pikes are non- boost, I'm about 90-95kg ready to ride at the moment.

The pikes at 160 were ok on the smuggler, but that only had 115 rear travel. Pikes very noticeably less stiff than Zebs on my eeb - that's for sure.


 
Posted : 19/11/2021 3:33 pm
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how do the Zebs feel in comparison to the yari?

Massive improvement, as a big lad the difference in stiffness has been the most noticable. Damping is much better compared to the MoCo on the yari too. Weight doesnt bother me at all, with a pretty burly build and a bit of mud my sentinel comes in at 16.5kg.


 
Posted : 19/11/2021 3:44 pm
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I’m currently 100kg but back when I was 90-95kg I used to ride my brother in law’s Capra with 160 pikes and no matter how hard we pushed them it wasn’t the Pikes holding us back (back when I used to ride all the time and much, much harder, aah life pre-kids).

RS we’re happy to tell everyone 160 Pikes were ideal, they is until they wanted everyone to replace them with new Lyriks, then suddenly they weren’t tough enough.


 
Posted : 19/11/2021 6:48 pm
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I’m running a 51mm offset lyrik on my sentinel. Can’t compare to shorter offset but I’m currently still alive..


 
Posted : 19/11/2021 7:34 pm
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I've taken some 170mm 29er boost Lyrik Select 42mm o/s off a new bike. Will be going up for sale one I get some pics


 
Posted : 19/11/2021 7:40 pm
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I have run 2 identical forks with different offset before.

I could notice a slight difference between the two but I don’t know what the difference was and couldn’t explain it other than feeling a bit different.

Neither was better / worse in any situation.


 
Posted : 19/11/2021 7:46 pm
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@tracey I may be interested. Pm sent.


 
Posted : 19/11/2021 8:58 pm
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Will get some pics and steerer length over the weekend


 
Posted : 19/11/2021 9:14 pm
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I was totally convinced that I could tell teh difference between 2 offsets on my Remedy, then it turned out they were actually the same. There's so much that changes when you swap forks, it's- imo- lost in the rounding. I mean, it'd be nice to get the ideal offset- whatever that may be- but it's not as important as damping or even whether the bushings are sized right


 
Posted : 20/11/2021 1:00 am
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Steerer is 170mm looking for £450 posted

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Loads of other pics if needed


 
Posted : 20/11/2021 1:59 pm

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