[Closed] 29er hardtail: short travel & slack

I think you might struggle a bit with that, slack usually goes with longer travel than 120

Was it wrecker that had a Bird Zero with short fork and angleset?

On one Parkwood perhaps?

Would the latest Solaris suit?

The Bird is 650b.

There's a few choices- Canfield YS, NP Scout 290, the new Last frame, 2Soulds QH .

Ah, missed the 29.

Last is 140mm, so not really short travel. And it's also not bloody here yet.

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Good looking though, eh 😮 ! Have they released the total price yet?

Parkwood with a headset, if you can live with the shortness?

Are they that short Northwind?

parkwood is too short. same ETT as inbred (less reach) so i kow it'll fit best with an 80-90 mm stem.

I think the last would be fine with 120mm. plenty slack enough & bb drop is only 50 mm, so would be 70ish with less travel. Any thoughts. it's certainly on the list.

Ragley BigWig is 129-150

Swarf Spline? 120mm and slack.

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BTR Ranger also fits the bill.

cokie - Member
Good looking though, eh ! Have they released the total price yet?

The frame is 549 Euro - various build kits and the like on sale below

http://www.last-bikes-shop.com/epages/62262325.sf/en_GB/?ObjectPath=/Shops/62262325/Categories/%22FASTFORWARD%20Specials%22

I think it depends what you mean by long and slack, do you mean by today's standards or by last decade's standards?

Most of the ones listed above are normal by today's standards so I wouldn't really call them LLS.

Ragley Bigwig is 120/130/140, 65deg static at 130 so 65.5 at 120mm.

How long are you aiming for?

*cough*
[url= http://pedalsbikecare.co.uk/shop/2016-ragley-bigwig-frame-free-barstemsaddle/ ]Bigwig Frame + Free Bar/Stem/Saddle[/url]
*cough*

I run my Canfield Nimble 9 on 120 Revs if it helps. I think it's recommended for 120 - 140.

Whytes 29er series are relaxed, come with a 110mm forks... Stick a 120 up front & relax it a bit more, though difficult to find whyte's frame only (2016's are good if you want a really long TT)
Kona (old) Tora or new Honzo might be options to consider.

Honzo now comes in Steel, Aluminium and Titanium.

Its what I have but with 140 forks

Fastforward has the drawback of the offset wheel. Not necessarily a problem but something to consider.

I'm experiencing quite a lot of HOW MUCH here 😆 Ragley, Swarf... and Last's exciting offer to sell you a Pike for 800 euros.

renton - Member

Are they that short Northwind?

The medium's about 400mm of reach so yeah. I was thinking of sizing up to a large but even then it's pretty short. Shame really.

Dartmoor Primal is another one that could have been a contenda if they'd put an extra inch in the front triangle.

Can you get a Honzo frame only? Looks interesting, if still a bit short of wheelbase

Loving my scout 290 😀 how come you only want 120mm of travel ? fair enough if you already have a fork, but the 130mm forks on the scout feel spot on and give a bit of insurance for my clumsiness 😆

I want to like the Last FF but the rear dropouts put me off, I would have thought symmetrical, 142 and fixed not adjustable would have been and easier / preferred option for most.

No one seems totally sure on the Honzo availability, now they have 3 options its all a bit messy.

Scout with a +10mm headset, if you've already got 120mm forks? It's still not long in the reach though is it? I'm hoping to testride at the CRC demos but I think I'd need to go up to a large. Frankly I'd rather have the XL's reach.

Sounds like me and you are looking for a similar frame Northwind

thepodge - Member
I want to like the Last FF but the rear dropouts put me off, I would have thought symmetrical, 142 and fixed not adjustable would have been and easier / preferred option for most.

Yeah. TBH, I'd have preferred if they just went 142...I'd even have preferred boost. But a slight offset on the wheel isn't a big issue for me.

I didn't realise till looking just now but it seems like to remove the rear wheel from the Last FF you have to also remove the rear mech.

thepodge - Member
I didn't realise till looking just now but it seems like to remove the rear wheel from the Last FF you have to also remove the rear mech.

No - you remove axle from NDS, and the mech and hanger stay in place.

Stanton Sherpa?

Was it wrecker that had a Bird Zero with short fork and angleset?

'tis me! About to head home on it, having made my office chair rather damp and muddy after a filthy offroad commute this morning...

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Wrong size wheels for this thread though...

A Whyte has to be slack, low and longer?

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http://zealousbikeco.com/?portfolio=division-frameset

I run a 120mm fork on this. 68deg head angle isn't super slack but for a 29er it's not bad.

@ rocketdog
I'd asked about your 29er on another thread and you said the latest Bigwig. But I'd not seen one. That looks SO good.

Titus Fireline, Ti frame, 120mm travel, 67.5 degree head angle, long TT and £599 just now.

Got one and I love it 😀

Titus Fireline.... long TT

LOL

try check out [url=]whyte's Large & XL TT's[/url]..that's long (huge in the XL case), On One are unable to create anything with a long TT

In classic On One style the geo sheet on the Titus puts the Reach longer than the ETT.

The Ragley big wig isn't particularly long either.

Normal Man - Member
@ rocketdog
I'd asked about your 29er on another thread and you said the latest Bigwig. But I'd not seen one. That looks SO good.

Rides nicely too although I'm coming to it after 18 months of exclusively fat bike riding so feels "different"

It's a 20" & I'm running a 50mm stem & 130mm forks, might go 60mm but going to try it as it is for a while

^18 months! There was me worrying how I'd get on with my Solaris later this week after 3 months of purely fat bike!

Sorry for the thread hijack OP. But what grips and frame bag are they?

it's not long as my Smuggler but I really like my Parkwood, I'd say a good cheap thrills option.

Superstar flangey things & a custom www.beebabe.co.UK upcycled inner tube bag

Thanks RD.

Interested in jumping on on this discussion a little bit.

I've currently got a charge Cooker 2, upgraded with a few not that spectacular bits but debating a Parkwood frame to replace it at my daily HT.

My main worry is that my current forks are old 2011 REBA 29's, 9mm QR and straight steerer. Which at 100mm i feel could almost be doing the frame a dis-service and holding it back from being a fun bike it could be.

Obviously to swap forks makes mine a little more complex a plan. I've also got an insanely expensive headset in the Charge frame which would be a shame to lose, but of course i can get a spacer for the lower which converts it to straight 1 1/8th steerer instead of tapered lower

ediT : WTF ? No bottle mounts ?

I cant see what you would gain by going to the parkwood

TBH it feels a bit like "hardcore" 29er hardtails are falling behind the full sussers, even from the same manufacturers- look at a Nukeproof Scout vs the Mega 29er frinstance. Not everything translates from FS to HT but reach certainly does, and wheelbase too imo. Maybe it's just me having drunk the longbike koolaid but just about everything I look at, I'd want to size up to a large and even then they're usually not as long as I'd want.

Add into this some high prices and it makes me kind of want to just send a custom titanium place a copy of my trailfox's geometry, and say "here's a bag of money, adapt it a bit for sag, make it 2 degrees slacker and make sure a 3 inch b+ tyre fits in it". The last is pure luxury but the rest, well, the bike I want doesn't really seem to exist.

I can see a Scout happening as a compromise, though. It's not exactly what I want but at least it's not actually shorter than my 2010 hardtail, as many are

What about a Sherpa, runs great with a 120mm fork. Long and low.

"here's a bag of money, adapt it a bit for sag, make it 2 degrees slacker and make sure a 3 inch b+ tyre fits in it".

When I looked into it it was far cheaper to get custom ti in China than custom steel in the UK. Would probably be about 750 though there are a few UK lot who'll charge you twice that for the pleasure.

Just spotted the new Genesis High Latitude, pretty much spot on geometry for a 29er HT IMO...
http://www.genesisbikes.co.uk/bikes/mountain/trail/high-latitude

But not listed frame only on their site ATM.

Northwind - Member

Add into this some high prices and it makes me kind of want to just send a custom titanium place a copy of my trailfox's geometry, and say "here's a bag of money, adapt it a bit for sag, make it 2 degrees slacker and make sure a 3 inch b+ tyre fits in it". The last is pure luxury but the rest, well, the bike I want doesn't really seem to exist.

I'd have thought the Last wasn't far off that - reach is 10mm shorter, but with HT sag you'd gain a bit. HA is 3* slacker, not 2, but seat angle, chainstays all in the right ballpark, and it take a 3" tyre.

It's the offset wheel 🙁 Everything else looks pretty damn fine but I want to hop bits back and forth between bikes.

That Genesis looks good. No wheelbase numbers? It's not slack but it seems to have a normal headset so should be angleable

True. A 142 and ditching the singlespeed would have suited better.

I think they mostly decided to go with the dropout/axle from their dirt jump bike for cost reasons, and if the bike sells, they may update it, maybe to boost.

I'm not a wheel swapper, so was happy to nab a cheap frame for what was supposed to be a cheap build, but has turned into five months of component shopping for a frame I don't have yet.

Had the first ride on the Scout today.
1st impressions are I'm REALLY unfit and Hd's are woefully bad.

honourablegeorge - Member

has turned into five months of component shopping for a frame I don't have yet.

TBH that sounds like my perfect frame 😆 It's rubbish once you finish a bike, all you've got is a bike. But you, sir, have a [i]project[/i]. Hopefully you also have another bike though.

Not feeling much love for the Genesis, seems fairly modern day average to me.

Accepting you'll have to fit an angleset from day one just seems wrong.

I guess looking at running 140 forks means it's not really short travel

Northwind - Member

TBH that sounds like my perfect frame It's rubbish once you finish a bike, all you've got is a bike. But you, sir, have a project. Hopefully you also have another bike though.

Yeah, still have the full suss, and the DH bike... sold my Soul though, gutted.

seems fairly modern day average to me.

Really? It's longer than pretty much anything but a Mondraker or Geometron.

Do you think you might have developed slightly unrealistic expectations?

Genesis sizing is great. That looks promising.

Love my parkwood but it's not that long and was really keen on a bigwig but it's same size toptube/reach as parkwood I think. For the money though the parkwood is ace

chakaping - Do you think you might have developed slightly unrealistic expectations?

Partly that and partly I've read it all wrong. The medium reach would suit me with a 30mm stem and give me a smidgen more adjustment on the seat post.

I'd have maybe liked to see a slightly steeper seat and slightly slacker head angle as I'm on 74.5 / 67 already but I'm a picky bugger

Im reading this thread as im looking for an

LLS
Aluminium
29er
120/130 mm
HT

The Whyte seems to get few shouts but comes with a 70/80mm stem which does not seem to fit with the LLS theme, am i missing something ?