[Closed] 22.6lb "Enduro" bike

I read the title and thought you'd come up with another wheel size. Anything else seems ok in comparison.

Brilliant!

They might as well chuck it all on a V10 & claim a 25lb DH bike 🙂

Just beaten to it! I had the same thought, another wheel size 🙂

TBH it's only the bars and tyres that strike me as ridiculous, and even the tyres might be excusable depending on where they ride. I've not used the TS8 forks but 32mm forks aren't all as flexy as a Fox 32.

Brilliant!

They might as well chuck it all on a V10 & claim a 25lb DH bike

Not sure I believe the weight claims, (this bike is apparently 3lbs lighter than Minaars race ride) but folk arent far off that already.

http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=10017&t=12924035

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Frame .............Pivot Mach6 Carbon
Fork ..............Magura TS8
Hubs ..............Aivee Edition One
Rims ..............Enve M60-40 27.5
Spokes ............Pillar Titanium
Skewers ...........Extralite Black Lock
Tires .............Schwalbe Knobby Nick 2.35
Tubes .............Tubeless
Crankset ..........Race Face Next SL
Bottom Bracket ....Race Face Cinch
Chainrings ........Race Face Direct Mount
Bars ..............Schmolke TLO Low Rise
Grips .............KCNC EVA Foam
Shift Levers ......Shimano XTR SL-M9000
Stem ..............Extralite Hyperstem
Headset ...........KCNC M1
Headset Spacers ...Parts of Passion
Saddle ............Tune Speedneedle Alcantara
Seatpost ..........KS Lev Integra
Seatpost Clamp ....KCNC SC11
Rear Mech .........Shimano XTR RD-M9000
Chain .............KMC X11SL
Cassette ..........SRAM XO1 10-42
Brakes ............Shimano XTR BL-M9000
Brake Rotors ......Ashima AiNeon
Cable Set .........Aican B-link
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So I'd change the rotors and tyres. Maybe the spokes, but maybe they're fine on carbon rims.
I have no experience of the bars - Their DH bars only weigh 130g, so maybe it's possible.
Also no experience of the fork.

hmmm - I bet that would still only be 23.5lb
Impressive.

There are a few bits I'd change, but only a few, doesn't seem unreasonable to me. Stem would probably scare me a bit, 70g or so.

Whilst the physics say that surface area of rotors doesn't affect absolute power I found my KCNCs to be markedly less powerful than an Avid G3, so I'd stick a 'proper' rotor on the front for confidence. 32mm fork... dunno, not ridden that one, I'd not worry too much though. I'd consider a 32mm Float for a longer travel bike.

Why an X01 cassette over the ever-so-slightly lighter XX1?

I imagine because it's black (for 30 seconds when new), and thus looks better in the photos he's taking of it. Whether you'd spec the same build or not that looks more like a build to take pictures of than the throw in an uplift truck and bounce off rocks!

The last thing you want is a mechanical or a puncture during a race. I doubt anyone would race that exact spec, I certainly wouldn't.

I wonder how much a set of those wheels cost?

True - but it's interesting to look through.
I wasn't aware that those grips were sooooo light for eg.
Nor had I heard of the bars.

I know it's popular for people to say that these weightweenie bikes aren't fit for purpose, but I always like seeing them. Especially as I only weigh 58kg.

I wonder how much a set of those wheels cost?

Nor had I heard of the bars.

Schmolke are well known in weight weenies circles, seem like decent kit. Eye wateringly expensive. More importantly they do a carbon coffee cup, saucer and tea spoon, which is awesome!

I tried to order a steerer bung off them about 10 years ago, they were an utter nightmare to deal with though, took months (literally) to reply to the first couple of mails, then gave up altogether. I guess not interested in a €20 sale!

I wonder how much a set of those wheels cost?

Oddly the hubs aren't that light - I just checked, so I'll wager they're not hugely expensive. He could have gone for Extralite hubs to make it slightly less appropriate, and saved weight. The fact he hasn't, despite using their stem and thru-axles makes me think that he's applied a modicum of common sense, and does genuinely intend to use the bike.

The spokes are interesting, they really are massively lighter than other things out there - 2.6g each, Revs are 4.4g each, Sapim Super Spokes are 3.6g each. You'd save 120g on a set of wheels using those over Revs/CX-Rays etc.

The last thing you want is a mechanical or a puncture during a race. I doubt anyone would race that exact spec, I certainly wouldn't.

You imply because of the tyres? I certainly would. Perhaps not in very rocky places, but no inherent issues myself.

I cant resist....

My brand new build... just under 30lb

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I've got a Mach 6, it's about 27lbs. That's light enough for me! Dunno if I'd want a bike that light.

The rider is either super skinny or is extremely gentle. Its not fit for purpose for 'normal' riders.

That'd be a right spastic Bambi with me on it.

The tyres are 675g so not superweighteenie.
If you changed them for the Ardent EXO rear (715) and Minion EXO front (825) you'd add .4 of a lb

Tyres would be course specific anyway, but the Ashima rotors I'd watch out for (on anything other than a pro's bike - where they'll be measured for wear)...

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Scienceofficer - Member

The rider is either super skinny or is extremely gentle. Its not fit for purpose for 'normal' riders.

That'd be a right spastic Bambi with me on it.

Thought Enduro racers* were meant to ride their bikes as fast as possible down each stage, not stop, run down the steep, rocky or slightly rooty parts

*excluding those taking part for the spirit/craic/#Fashion. Obvs. 😉

You imply because of the tyres? I certainly would. Perhaps not in very rocky places, but no inherent issues myself.

Yeah, mainly. I think I've never had a day on Schwalbe tyres where I didn't suffer from burping or punctures. I'd also be concerned aboit the durability of an 80 gram saddle or 70gram stem to withstand a crash.

Thought Enduro racers* were meant to ride their bikes as fast as possible down each stage, not stop, run down the steep, rocky or slightly rooty parts

Any why would he need to do that...? You can ride World Cup DH courses on a rigid bike with rim brakes after all...

Yeah, mainly. I think I've never had a day on Schwalbe tyres where I didn't suffer from burping or punctures. I'd also be concerned aboit the durability of an 80 gram saddle or 70gram stem to withstand a crash.

Fair enough, I have. Stem I'm inclined to agree, slightly scary. No issues with the saddle though myself.

br - Erk! I've got those Ashima Rotors. What's the story with the pic?

I'm not too worried, because they're 160s on my rigid SS, so it's hardly dealing with alpine DHs.

I'd still be interested in what happened there, though.

I see no issue with it- the new Nobby Nics are quite a different beast to the old ones, most people would be lying if they said the could feel the difference in stiffness in the forks and the wheels will be good and tough. The saddle, provided your backside can take it, will be as tough as any other.

I'd change the bar for something wider, probably 150g Schmolke DH risers, and the stem for something shorter. Ride fast and light and nothing will break that wouldn't on the 30lb Pivot up there. Weight doesn't equal strength, half the time it just equals more effort and striving for lower weight is a good thing.

most people would be lying if they said the could feel the difference in stiffness in the forks

I can. Am I lying?

nedrapier

br - Erk! I've got those Ashima Rotors. What's the story with the pic?

I'd still be interested in what happened there, though.

Ashima had a big recall on their rotors a few years back due to some failures. That might be one such failure, or just a heavily worn disc that failed. I had the 203mm version on my Norco Fluid LT. Absolutely horrendous tat. Glad they were recalled as I just asked for a refund.

[i]I'd still be interested in what happened there, though. [/i]

nedrapier

Bought a pair to replace an older (bent) set of Ashima's. Very, very light but found their performance a bit lacking, so put them onto the rear.

Half-way down a steep chute I was on full brakes and heard a loud 'crack'. Let the brakes off and coasted to the bottom and found it had separated. Seems that they'd worn through and then failed.

When I measured them they were at 2/3 thickness of a new one, after less than 8 months use... So too light for the job I need.

Either you are not most people or you are lying, yes.

Any why would he need to do that...?

Im pleased Ive got my enduro bike to 14kg!

even then im still slightly nervous of my carbon rims

Interesting read... As per most manufacturers blah blah numbers it includes no pedals so you can add circa. 400g.

i wouldnt put myself as massively knowledgable when it comes to tiny nuances in bike feel, but I can definitley feel a difference in stiffness between a rev and a pike that are identical, save for the rev has 20mm less travel and ovs the stanchions. fwiw the pike is stifferer.

I'd echo the comments above, I'd change the stem, saddle, bars and rotors, and not be quite so fussed about spokes

Shortest version of that stem is 80mm too.

Titanium spokes are interesting. Wonder how strong they actually are.

[i]i wouldnt put myself as massively knowledgable when it comes to tiny nuances in bike feel, but I can definitley feel a difference in stiffness between a rev and a pike that are identical, save for the rev has 20mm less travel and ovs the stanchions. fwiw the pike is stifferer.[/i]

Agree.

Have 2014 (straight-steerer) Revs on my HT and then bought a s/h FS with 2011 (tapered) Fox 32's - both 150mm and 15mm axles. The Revs feel definitely stiffer than the Fox's.

not strong at all. especially if they are J-bend, George.

not a wise choice. even less so if you're not featherweight yourself.

Im pleased Ive got my enduro bike to 14kg!

That's pretty good going for a Process 153!

If anyone can't tell the difference between something like a Pike and a Fox 32 then either they need much stiffer wheels or need to ride faster on the interesting bits.

Looks perfectly rideable to me, the frame/rims/cranks are all tough enough and those are the bits you're going to break 'just riding allong'. I'd be suspicious of the bars and stem but that's unfounded just based on their weights and I prefer stiffer/heavier stems and comprimise on weight, and I'd probably prefer 720-740mm bars. So other than those which is pure prejudice, I'd not change anything, and I'm 100kg!

I can. Am I lying?

I could buy that, enter an Enduro, and still come dead last! Winner! er, i mean, Looser!

😉

kristoff - Member

Interesting read... As per most manufacturers blah blah numbers it includes no pedals so you can add circa. 400g.

But I'm all for weighing bikes without pedals, otherwise what would a manufacturer do - as they don't supply them.

Magura forks are always VERY stiff.

its a mong spec, not one you would actually consider using.

decent tyres, pedals, bar, saddle, rotors, spokes and fork are going to add another 3-4lb on top of that. still light though

If you've not tried those particular forks, no. Just ignorant. IME Magura forks are always VERY stiff.

munrobiker - Member

Either you are not most people or you are lying, yes.

Why don't you skeptics go and stick a 2 Step Totem at 135mm on a trail bike, then compare them with a Fox 32 140mm and tell me there's no difference. Honestly some people must ride like utter f***ing gimps.

Just needs a change in stem, bar and tyres but we could switch to a 053 shock from the float x which would save 60g.

I'd seriously consider ditching the Enve's too.

If you're racing and hitting stuff hard, without quite so much care to your kit, smashing through things on a wheel which you need to take the tyre & rim strip off just to get to the spoke nipple to true it, is a stupendously crap design.

Honestly some people must ride like utter f***ing gimps.

Question on fork stiffness isn't whether you can feel a difference, it's whether it matters to you. Swapping back and forth from my Lyriks to my Revs I can tell the difference very clearly but in all honesty, after 5 minutes I don't care. Doesn't mean the next dude won't hate them though.