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[Closed] 20mm more axle to crown - will i die ??

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Good morning

I have recently purchased a 2016 Orbea Loki which I run 27.5 plus I don't do jumps or anything crazy it is mainly for a nice comfy long pootle at a nice pace as I am in no rush to get back to the bag of wind known as my other half !!
My problem is the frame should come with a 120mm fork and their specs say 531mm axle to crown but I am running some Manitou Machete 140mm axle to crown 551mm
Will I burst into flames and die screaming or is it ok to carry on riding it ? Only been out once and it felt absolutely spot on ,the frame only cost £100 so a crack wouldn't bother me however the fact I might go tarmac surfing on my face does
I suppose I am just wanting confirmation I am ok to carry on
Cheers


 
Posted : 18/03/2021 11:23 am
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I've done it on a couple of bikes in the past (Including 140mm forks on a xc frame designed for 80mm) and still here to tell the tale, but YMMV


 
Posted : 18/03/2021 11:31 am
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In my very limited forum-browsing experience, the 'risk' of running a too-long fork is vastly overstated. For the majority of people it'll be perfectly safe, especially if you're only bimbling.

There's a bigger chance of upsetting the handling of your bike. Making a bike too high at the front / too slack / too high at the BB is a thing.

If it rides OK I'd carry on and stop worrying. But you can make your own mind up 🙂


 
Posted : 18/03/2021 11:39 am
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I've overforked pretty much every bike I've ever owned and it's always been an improvement.

The idea that a longer fork will overstress the headtube and the frame will break is nonsense. A 20mm increase on a 500mm AC length is 4%. That's utterly insignificant. It's the difference between riding naked and carrying a couple of litres of water, enough food for a full day's riding, and some extra clothing. Frames don't just snap because of a 4% increase in stress.

What will cause a frame to snap is taking a lightweight XC frame, putting a big fork on it, and riding like a DH monster. If you ride the bike the way it was designed to be ridden, you'll be fine.


 
Posted : 18/03/2021 12:08 pm
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Thanks everyone I'll carry on as is and probably save myself about £300 !!!


 
Posted : 18/03/2021 12:17 pm
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If it worries you then the machetes are internally adjustable with spacers. You could space then down to 120mm.


 
Posted : 18/03/2021 1:11 pm
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No. It’ll be fine


 
Posted : 18/03/2021 8:33 pm
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Are wider stantioned forks less prone to bushing wearing nowadays. Back when they were 30mm I'd put a 5" fork on a 4" hardcore hardtail and need to rebush twice a year when they start knocking.


 
Posted : 19/03/2021 4:08 am
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The idea that a longer fork will overstress the headtube and the frame will break is nonsense. A 20mm increase on a 500mm AC length is 4%. That’s utterly insignificant.

It's even less than that, really, as the moment arm includes the wheel radius (ie distance from bottom headset bearing to tyre contact patch). So on a 29er, add another 14.5" (370mm):

20/(500+370) = 2.3%

As the man says, utterly insignificant.

I suspect that manufacturers' warnings against over-forking is more because it's an indication that the rider may be using the bike inappropriately. I have some sympathy with them from a warranty standpoint, but even so you'd have to be *really* overdoing it to exceed the design safety factors.


 
Posted : 19/03/2021 9:23 am

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