[Closed] 1x12? Pah! How about a 1x22 gravel bike?

Yep, 1×22 2x11. You read that right.

FTFY

Well, technically it's 1x11x2.

I think.

Well, technically it’s 1x11x2 2x11.

I saw this and thought I’d really like the hub for a 2-speed singlespeed. Since moving to hilly Somerset, I’ve really missed my SS... this would give me a flat and a climbing gear with next to no faff if I’m understanding it correctly

Haha looks like the way things are going it will be more expensive to buy a bike than a motorbike within the next year or two...

It’s like 92-98 was a semi golden age for hardtail. Then a load of trial and error until things got awesome for full suss 2015-2021.

Hopefully just another 6-7 yr gap before they are knocking out decent reasonably priced gear hubs with carbon belt drive and wireless everything at reasonable prices...

Just give me a front mech and £1000 in cash.

Haha looks like the way things are going it will be more expensive to buy a bike than a motorbike within the next year or two…

Expensive bikes are expensive. Bikes on the cutting edge of tech are even more expensiver.

And yet, cheap bikes are better than ever.

FYI, you can already buy a Motorbike that's cheaper than a pushbike. Or a brand new car that's cheaper than some bikes. Apples and oranges. Not sure how it's in any way relevant.

Didn't SRAM already fail to sell the world the idea of the the "dual drive" planetary/cassette hub, oh and haven't sturmey been also selling a planetary/cassette hub for a good couple of decades?
Of course where those concepts fell down was by not having a full house of buzzwords to sell alongside it, like "aero-gravel" or "Di2" or "Really expensive"...

I can't help feeling like the beautiful simplicity of what used to get called "Gravel bikes" is being overrun by pointless gimmicky and things nobody is really asking for just 'because'...

Meh, bash one out over it if you like, buy one if you must, can't say I'm that impressed TBH... Maybe it's just me.

It doesn't get me going 'oooh' either, just thought it was interesting how companies are trying to get around the 'limitations' of single chainring drivetrains.

Aero stuff does nothing for me, that's for sure.

I can buy that argument up to a point but that is now getting crossed.

An enduro bike now costs the same as a Ducati Monster, not a low end baby moped.

I get economies of scale, R&D costs and all but...

F*ck it... Anyone know if any well managed bike co’s with premium brand, manufactured in Far East frames are available to invest in? I want in. Maybe their holding co’s if part of a larger group.

I can buy that argument up to a point but that is now getting crossed.

An enduro bike now costs the same as a Ducati Monster, not a low end baby moped.

I get economies of scale, R&D costs and all but…

F*ck it… Anyone know if any well managed bike co’s with premium brand, manufactured in Far East frames are available to invest in? I want in. Maybe their holding co’s if part of a larger group.

Not really - a chinese 125 (equivalent of a BSO) costs £1500, vs £200 for a BSO.

A top of the range, cutting edge superbike costs £25k+ (Ducati Panigale V4S) - a cutting edge Super MTB costs 12k.

You can buy a more than capable 'enduro' bike for £2k. Where can you buy any new, non-chinese 600c+ bike for that? you can't.

You're comparing 2 completely different items, with different markets, with vastly different sales numbers, etc etc. they both have 2 wheels and that's where the similarity ends.

You may as well compare prices of segways and mountain bikes. both have 2 wheels...

You can buy a house for the price of many cars.
You can buy a house for the price of many boats.
You can buy a helicopter for the price of many houses.
You can buy a small island for the price of a premiership football player.

Anyway, you get the point. Bikes are expensive, if you buy an expensive bike.

Makes you wonder who buys a very niche bike like a blingy aero-gravel bike? A gravel bike is niche enough. Cycling has become the new golf for a certain demographic.

Gotta have that 2.4% increased sweet spot and 3.4% more spin control on that new £400 driver...

IMO, if you're worried about aero on a gravel bike, you're doing it wrong.

I suppose if you have money to burn?

I do get that whole 'consumerification' of bikes having wasted a few grand in my 20's when I had a lot of disposable income and had a least 4 bikes.

Now I'm poorer but also aware that N+1 blingy bike is something of a trap; there is always something new and shiny and then something else new and shiny that you 'need' to acquire.

IMO, if you’re worried about aero on a gravel bike, you’re doing it wrong.

People race these things, it isn't a canal towpath bimbler 😁

People race these things, it isn’t a canal towpath bimbler

Yet most will end up being bimbled about on my middle-aged accountants until they get bored! 😀

The theoretical maximum number of gears (not ratios) on a bike just jumped to 396 then?

Pinion P1.18 up front
11 speed cassette for classified hub

I *think* Olsen frames let you have a pinion on a frame that can take a mech hanger.

Personally I think 350 is enough...

You could just use this instead...
https://www.sjscycles.co.uk/hubs-internal-hub-gear-brake/black32h-sturmey-archer-csrk3-3spd-f30-cassette-hub/

Lol... 18x12x3 then. 648 speed... unless rotors 13speed cassette fits a HG freehub?

People race these things, it isn’t a canal towpath bimbler

But do they?

I mean OK there's a few "Gravel events" and the name is a reference to the Dirty Kansa but is there really enough of a Gravel race scene, even in yankland to justify this level of nonsense?

Ridley is a brand synonymous with cyclocross, I mean that makes sense I suppose racing equipment is their native market. But to try and reinvent "Gravel cycling" as something that it really isn't, just to flog a tech-heavy concept to Dentists and stockbrokers makes me think they've missed the point...

trying to get around the ‘limitations’ of single chainring drivetrains.

I can't believe I'm saying this, as one of the 1x faithful, but front dérailleurs are actually pretty hard to beat if you need a simple, efficient mechanism to give you more range...

I can’t believe I’m saying this, as one of the 1x faithful, but front dérailleurs are actually pretty hard to beat if you need a simple, efficient mechanism to give you more range…

Indeed. The bike - whilst impressive as a piece of tech - is a solution looking for a problem.

I quite like the idea of an aero gravel bike, but this Ridley has the SC Nomad 'crapping dog' stance. Bleurgh.

IMO, if you’re worried about aero on a gravel bike, you’re doing it wrong

Really? I must just have imagined how much I enjoyed opening up the big ring with a tailwind across Rannoch Moor and just time trialling until my legs fell off...

Gravel bikes feel better the faster you go, so if I could afford one which was moar aero I'd have it!

Although I wouldn't be paying a premium just to replace a front mech with a hub gear, madness.

Flippin Eck. So much whining!

If you don't like it don't buy it. The hysteria you display when complaining that 'simplicity is being overrun' is as ludicrous as any bike marketing claim.