[Closed] 1x10 > 1 x 11 (cyclocross)

Was wondering if any of the 11 speed mtb stuff works with 11 speed road

e.g the 11 speed cassette work with these 11 speed levers?

I know the 9 speed mtb mech used to work with 10 speed road shifter

Hope do an 11 speed freehub yes.

No cross compatibility yet on Shimano/SRAM 11 speed - you won't get an 11 speed Shimano mech to clear the 42t sprocket on a SRAM 11 speed cassette, and you won't get an XX1 mech to play nicely with Shimano STIs. CX1 may be a more viable alternative in that respect - don't know if the CX1 Double Tap lever will work with an XX1 rear mech, stands to reason that it might. Doesn't give you hydraulic discs yet though.

I thought that Shimano 11sp just fitted on a standard hub.

I was going to use some hope pro 3 hubs

anyone know when 11-36 xt/ultegra or below 11spd cassettes might be available? (currently running a 1x10 11-36 on my CX, I'm happy with the range but wouldn't mind closer steps along with a swap to hydro STIs)

I thought that Shimano 11sp just fitted on a standard hub.

The 11 speed XTR does, not the 11 speed road groupsets, they need a longer freehub body.

I've only just found out that the road and mountain shimano 11sp groups are not compatible too - or at least the cable pull is different on the mechs and shifters.
Rubbish.

You can't just put a hope 11sp freehub body on an existing pro3/pro2 hub body.You need a new hub 😐

Really? Why?

So I could get this freehub and all would be dandy?

I'd then use a road 11 speed mech with an 11 speed cassette?

I know they don't do a clutch mech but I know someone who ran a 9 speed xt rear mech and had no drops with 1 x10 (narrow wide on the front)

ave they started doing pro3 disc hubs?

I bought mine years ago. It's a mtb hub

So I could get this freehub and all would be dandy?

Doesn't sound like it, on Hope hubs:

You can't just put a hope 11sp freehub body on an existing pro3/pro2 hub body.You need a new hub

Not sure why though, all other hubs I'm aware of are plug and play so to speak.

I'd then use a road 11 speed mech with an 11 speed cassette?

I know they don't do a clutch mech but I know someone who ran a 9 speed xt rear mech and had no drops with 1 x10 (narrow wide on the front)

Yes, once you have an 11 speed freehub body you can use an 11 speed road mech and cassette, with 11 speed STIs. You can go single ring if you want, but you can't yet get a LH non-STI hydraulic drop bar lever to match the R785 in your OP.

9 speed MTB and 10 speed road are cross compatible, so yes, that combination would've been fine.

Edit:

I bought mine years ago. It's a mtb hub

There are two types of Pro 3 - those in the built MTB wheelset, and the non disc hubs (previously called Mono). The 11 speed ones are the latter, although I was under impression that you could retrofit an 11 speed freehub body to any of their older hubs.

Out of interest what are you running as a chainset ?
After a few Summer crosses and 3 nights of training for the impending winter series, I'm finding my 34/50 with 12-30 totally wrong.
34 with 12 in the sprint starts and I'm out of gears.Starting in 50 27 is OK but once on course the 50 becomes redundant.
Noticed quite a few running singles with a clutch rear mech.
Ideas ??

You can't just put a hope 11sp freehub body on an existing pro3/pro2 hub body.You need a new hub

Seems to suggest that from the description?

Freehub body for Pro 2 Evo and Pro 3 hubs to allow use of 11 speed shimano cassettes.

ut of interest what are you running as a chainset ?
After a few Summer crosses and 3 nights of training for

been running 36/46 for 2 seasons. Now going t 1x10/1x11 with a 38 and a 11-28 at the back

I was running a 36/25 as lowest gear before so 28 will be fine

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You can go single ring if you want, but you can't yet get a LH non-STI hydraulic drop bar lever to match the R785 in your OP.

SO i'll have the internals for shifting but won't use them.

sorry just wanted to get that bit clear.

You definitely can't fit an 11sp freehub on a pro3/mono/road hub.I know this cos I asked them yesterday and ordered an 11sp hub for the winter bike (anybody wanna buy a pro3/open sport rear wheel...cheap?).I assume you can't on a pro2 evo because there is'nt a pro2 evo 11sp freehub body (yet).

I bought mine years ago. It's a mtb hub

Freehub body for Pro 2 Evo and Pro 3 hubs to allow use of 11 speed shimano cassettes.

SO i'll have the internals for shifting but won't use them.

Yep, exactly. And you'll be paying for those internals.

I'm finding my 34/50 with 12-30 totally wrong.

if u want double i'd be tempted with a 36/42

Depends how you find gearing. I always ran a 36/25 as my lowest gear but some prefer a 28 which i find quite spinny

trickydisco - Member
Now going t 1x10/1x11 with a 38 and a 11-28 at the back

I was running a 36/25 as lowest gear before so 28 will be fine

Thanks Whose chainset ?

ohh dales rider,that's handy.How do I copy that?

Ah right, thought they only came as a wheelset (I have a front one, would quite like a rear) presumed you were talking about current stuff.

Yes, all current, there are two separate Pro3s - it's the moniker they use for their non-disc road hubs, and for the MTB disc hubs in their built wheelsets.

Bit more digging - the 40t latest Pro2s are compatible with the 11 speed freehub body, but not the earlier ones.

Clarity!!I forgotted about the new 40t jobbies 😳

Thanks Whose chainset ?

Currently have an fsa gossamer i've been running for ages (110bcd). Going to get the sram cx 1 without the chainring

Which chainring are you going to use then? 😕

Was hoping for a raceface but they're out of stock

So probably absolute black

unless superstar do one in 110bcd

trickydisco - Member
I'm finding my 34/50 with 12-30 totally wrong.

yes.. 34/50 is all wrong for cross IMO
if u want double i'd be tempted with a 36/42

Depends how you find gearing. I always ran a 36/25 as my lowest gear but some prefer a 28 which i find quite spinny

Ooh well I'm in training for the new season too, being a newbie to it I'm currently using 34/46 & 11/28, had to bring the original 36 down to a 34 😳

Feel quite out of place now 😕

Ah sorry. Wasn't my intention at all. I've been doing it for 2 seasons now. I meant the standard 34/50 is specced for commute style CX bikes. The 50 is too big

This may be a stupid question but if i buy an 11 speed (135mm) hub will an 11 speed road cassette fit?

Are they the same size?

Yes, 11 speed freehubs are for 11 speed road cassettes. 11 speed MTB cassettes either require an XD body (SRAM) or fit on a 10 speed body (forthcoming XTR).

So most or all 11 speed disc hubs on ebay are going to be for road as the mtb is too new?

Just noticed that none specify mtb or road

Well thanks Chaps for your insite.. I've been hacking the Downs all weekend on my CX'er and I may even change the rear 11/28 to a 11/30.

I'm such a wuss 😆

So most or all 11 speed disc hubs on ebay are going to be for road as the mtb is too new?

If they have a conventional looking M10 freehub body then yes. They could be Campag:
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Or they could be XD:

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If neither or those then yes, they're 11 speed road.

11 speed MTB doesn't really exist - they're either XD bodies, or they fit on a standard 10 speed body.

11 speed MTB doesn't really exist - they're either XD bodies, or they fit on a standard 10 speed body.

excellent thanks! just what i needed to know. I was getting bogged down with mtb hubs and confused about buying the wrong thing.

Any recommendations for hubs? I know you always rave about the a2z stuff. I've had a set of novatec hubs on my old tub wheels and they've been fine (apart from marks on the freehub body)

DO these road mechs have a strong setting on the spring? I know a guy i raced with ran a mtb 9 speed mech with a 1x10 set up and the chain stayed on the whole time.

Wondering if this is the case with these 11 speed road mechs?

No 11 speed freehubs for A2Z AFAIK.

I'd probably get the Circus Monkey ones which are all over eBay, they're not hugely light and I don't like the fancy flange shaping, but they're dirt cheap and still a chunk lighter than Hope/DT350s etc which cost considerably more.

No clutches in road mechs, but no different to a 9 speed mech, there's no 'settings' on the spring, they are what they are. Probably be ok with a narrow/wide ring though.

Absolute black talks about a stronger spring setting

mportant information for SHIMANO derailleur users.
In order to get best results we recommend increasing cage return spring tension. New derailleurs are assembled with the spring in the mount that allows the most relaxed position of the spring. However there is another position on the cage which will increase that tension. It is a standard procedure, please navigate to point no.7 in the link. You may also ask your LBS to do it for you.

http://www.parktool.com/blog/repair-help/rear-derailleur-overhaul

I suspect most LBSs will tell you to piss off if you ask them to do that! Personally not convinced it'll make much difference anyway, but yes, you could. It's not hard to try, just needs three hands!

I'm just sat waiting by the door for a delivery. Tonight I will be building up:

135mm Pro 2 Disc with 11 speed road freehub (direct from hope via lbs)

Sram PG1170 11-32
Sram Force CX1 rear mech
Sram Force levers (CX1 right hand only with shifter)
Avid BB7

Was tempted to go hydraulic but ran out of tokens (and already had the bb7)

Quick one...

Is the chain length still big, big no mech, plus 2 links?

1x11 medium clutch

Cheers

Anyone (njee?) know if SRAM Force 22 levers will work with a SRAM XX1 rear mech/cassette?

Is the chain length still big, big no mech, plus 2 links?

That'll do it, but actually the instructions with the XX1 chains recommend 3 links IIRC - leaves enough slack you can change ring size if you're so inclined.

Anyone (njee?) know if SRAM Force 22 levers will work with a SRAM XX1 rear mech/cassette?

Not sure! Would be nice for more 1x11 gravel/'cross options!

Edit: from [url= http://www.bikerumor.com/2013/04/15/sram-22-unveiled-all-new-red-force-11-speed-road-groups-tech-weights-first-rides/ ]here[/url] - they're not:

But, unlike past 10-speed groups, these new 11-speed parts are not compatible with the recently introduced XX1 11-speed mountain bike parts.

I'd be surprised if not - SRAM road/mtb compatibility has been consistent thus far and Shimano made a point of stating when their parts (10 speed mtb/road) weren't compatible.

Cheers njee

Just read this little tip if you want to run 10 speed hubs

Don’t want to upgrade all your wheels for 11 speed? Run the 11-28 cassette on your ten speed free hub, leave the 11 tooth off though. Just install a 12 tooth lock ring against the 12 tooth. Use limit screws and it works perfectly, just aredundant clock in the Shifter. Hydro disc mechanical shift ten speed 105

So now i'm even more confused. I've just bought a novatec 712 disc hub that is 11 speed compatible (from the cycle clinc and he assures me it's 11 speed road)

I've just seen some nice tubular alu wheels on ebay. The hub is a novatec disc hub 712 and the guy has got back to me with

Rear hub doesn't fit with 11speed road. Only with new mtb 11 as xtr..

Are there different versions of this 712 hub?

going from njee said i'm even more confused

Yes, 11 speed freehubs are for 11 speed road cassettes. 11 speed MTB cassettes either require an XD body (SRAM) or fit on a 10 speed body (forthcoming XTR).

No idea about the model specifics of Novatecs, but it seems entirely reasonable that if it's more than a year or two old it would have a 10 speed freehub body (which will fit 11 speed XTR as well - as he says). Stands to reason they wouldn't bother to rename their hub just because they made the freehub body 2mm longer.

Similarly DT240s are all now 11 speed compatible, but that doesn't mean you can go and buy an older 240 and it'll work.

Either that, or the Cycle Clinic guy was wrong.

I think what he's saying is they are 10 speed mtb then. What i want to know is can i change the freehub to 11 speed you think?

[url= http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Novatec-Type-B2-B1-A-freehub-bodies-F482-F172-D712-D352-D882-D992-F162-F262-F372-/161244194019?pt=UK_sportsleisure_cycling_bikeparts_SR&var=&hash=item258ae724e3 ]which i've seen on ebay[/url]

(sorry sent before i saw your reply njee)

If it's helpful, I've just built an 11spd 105 Groupset using a Mavic rear wheel. All i did was remove the spacers (previously running 10spd Shimano). Everything is fine.

Be interesting to know if the 11spd Shimano road shifters work with 10spd Shimano clutch mechs.

I think what he's saying is they are 10 speed mtb then. What i want to know is can i change the freehub to 11 speed you think?

which i've seen on ebay

So from that it sounds like you need a B2, the photo is a Campag one though.

If it's helpful, I've just built an 11spd 105 Groupset using a Mavic rear wheel. All i did was remove the spacers (previously running 10spd Shimano). Everything is fine.

Yes, Mavic freehubs (miraculously) were already the right length, just remove the spacer which has been superfluous for years!

awesome.. cheers for the reponses. The cycleclinc guy has also got in contact and said the novatecs can be converted to 11 speed

right.. now to buy some BOR alu tub wheels

Anyone running an 11 speed ultegra mech with a single chainring?

Wondering if the new 11 speed has got this 2 setting spring mechanism or if they've increased the tension with the new mechs?

Anyone know if there would be much difference between spring tensions between 105 and ultegra?

I'm running it on a pickenflick with a raceface thick/thin front chainring. No idea about the spring though, mines not for racing but had some severe bouncing on some rough tracks, etc and not lost the chain yet.

Running Ultegra 11 speed with a raceface thick/thin and yet to drop a chain. That's with a standard rear mech (not clutch).

short or long cage?

mines a long cage 6800, may swap to a short cage 105 as the black colour matches my chainset better...