[Closed] 1st Roadie ride done, damn I'm slow

Go faster!

Ta, 🙂

Legs are fairly shot now, not sure how much faster I could of gone....

don't be too disappointed with the average, it is amazing how much speed you can loose over hills.

Best way to improve the average speed, a few methods, pick the right route, you don't want traffic lights and junctions, also hills will drag the average down, next ride with others, works in two ways you can get a tow and when you have something to chase.

Finally fitness and methodology, attack climbs and keep the pace high, which moves onto training and doing things like intervals. Accept that pain is good.

Ride more 🙄 = get faster.

Also it depends on the terrain, was it very hilly?

On a totally flat ride that would be slow but not on hills.

A great thing about road riding is that you very quickly see an improvement.

It takes time and hard work but you will get quicker and average speed on your computer is a great indicator of how you are doing. Good idea to write some details down after each ride, distance, average speed, conditions etc. To improve though you will have to push yourself hard, your body has the abilty to get stonger after a hard ride.

it will come!

i remember my first few rides, lasted for a slow hour and had to have a rest day..

for proper improvement i would say push yourself all the time, be on the edge of your limit for the whole ride, don't rest at the top of hills but recover slowly on the way down etc etc.

it's not supposed to be fun! 😛

the main thing is to get used to riding non-stop as that's what tends to wear out new roadies even if they're fit.

According to mapmyride 311m Elev. gain so not very hilly, but lumpy enough to not be flat 🙂

I spun my way up most hills, attacked a couple but didn't stop at the top of any, rested on the way down etc...

Guess I was just out for a ride so to speak not pushing all of the time, stopped at the odd sign post for directions, chatted to a few people on route, took in the scenery, it was nice. My expectation's for what that sort of ride would average was probably off.

Saying that my legs are pretty done at the end, pretty sure its the furthest I've ridden on a bike. I guess some shorter blasts combined with longer Sunday rides would be the way to go.

Keep up the good work and stick in. I bought a road bike 2 -3 months back and found it hard to start with. Definitely agree with the comments above about the change to continual pedalling, it's a big change to mtb'ing.

a couple of other things apart from fitness, which at the end of the day will have to be addressed.

Some roads are harder than others, a crap surface, be it badly patched or large chippings will always be harder going. A busy road with lots of traffic can be faster as you get a tow off vehicles coming past.

Thanks for all the comments, obviously just need to get out a bit more and put in some more effort.

Guess its a start to shedding some of my 15st bulk off though, oh I'll also add I was wearing baggies, peaked helmet, un-shaved legs and mtbing spd's 8)

Most people are surprised by what their try average speed is so don't worry. It's just makes you realise how fast the pros are!

"It never gets easier you just go faster" - Greg Lemond

oh I'll also add I was wearing baggies, peaked helmet and mtbing spd's

Hehe. Tis De Rigeur for a newly converted MTBer riding road right? 😉

13mph isn't as bad as it sounds, certainly over 50km and on your own on your first ride, and 300m doesn't sound an enormous amount but it's amazing how much it will slow you down overall!

I did a 25 mile ride the other week, taking in a fair amount of elevation (at a guess 400-450m), most of it relatively steep for a road ride, and going hell for leather I managed it in just over 90 minutes. So an average speed of just about 16mph... Trust me, had it been a flat ride, my average would have been a good 2-3mph quicker easily... Of course though, a flat ride wouldn't have seen me topping 40mph coming down through Malvern Link though, scaring the hell out of car drivers (and myself when I remembered I hadn't got disc brakes!) though would it!

Hills will bring your average right down. When I've taken the newcommers ride out hill speeds can be right down to 5/6 mph.
We also have a very hilly route of 46 miles, and although the speed between hills is around 23/30mph the average is always shy of 18mph.

If you are averaging that on your own I'd say you would average 15/16mph with another person.

it never gets easier, you just ride faster 😈

balls, too slow!

Just stick at it and ride hills to get stronger. It's surprising how much stronger you become from going on hilly rides. Do a few of them over the weeks to come and then repeat the ride you did today to see how you've improved.

I started road riding about 18 months ago and struggled to reach a 14mph average.

What helped for me was joining a club with fitter, faster riders. Hard at first but you soon improve your fitness.

Now when I go on a gentle ride I average around 16mph, and a harder ride around 19mph. Training rides are 23mph'ish. I completed my first group 100 miler a few weeks ago with a 17mph average which I was chuffed with. Will be doing a solo one in the next couple of weeks and targeting the same 17mph average.

Mountain biking is more fun too as road fitness makes you naturally faster.

Ta guys, seems it not too bad from other newbies making the switch from mtbing. I'll stick with it and come up with some sort of plan to get my pace up.

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One last thing I picked up some cheap Schwalbe Blizzard Sport tyres which is what I used today, they seemed ok but not knowing much about road tyres would I be ok sticking him them or would there be any noticeable difference getting something different.

Get some Continental GP4000S tyres - you will not be disappointed.

Tyres are very much a personal thing. Most of the big brands have decent fast rolling tyres. If you want something durable then the [url=http://]Conti Gatorskin[/url] is a good bet. 700 x 23 for steed up to 700 x 28 for comfort.

Conti GP4000s are pretty good, but I'm bias as they're the tyres I use. 🙂 Loads of others around that are equally as good.

Edit: The GP4000's will be lighter.

Another thing - don't start by comparing yourself to the riding gods on STW.

Aim for the TdF Pro level first.

My first post was to illustrate the improvement over 18 month and I am far from a riding god. 🙂

I did a stunning average of 10.7 mph today riding my cross bike, and even walked up a few climbs doing the carrying thing. 48 miles altogether; it's less about how fast and more about how fun.

I have just started road riding too.

I currently judge my progress by how many times I am sick in my mouth on the climbs. Only once yesterday on 30 miles with 1900 feet of climbing. Must be getting better. Will worry about faster later...

Just keep your Blizzards on now, treat yourself to some dancing tyres next year. Personally I never use good tyres for anything but races.

23mph average??? What are you elite?

Just get our there and ride, don't worry too much about ave speeds at the moment, there will always be someone who can ride faster. Just enjoy it.
If you're going to do comparisons, do them at 1 or 2 month intervals, there are too many variables to make comparisons on a week to week basis, imo.
And yes, get rid of the baggies and peak- these alone in weight will have cost you approx 0.765mph, the drag factor would cost you another 1.397mph and finally you actually look 3.768mph faster in lycra.

Just over 10mph ave over 80 miles on a singular swift with slicks and fully laden with sarnies and cake (must be over 30lb) i dream of 13mph average!

yeah as others have said, don't worry too much about avg speed, unless you're comparing the same route...and even then the wind can make a huge difference. Case in point...115 miles yesterday and my avg for the first ~40 miles was a good 5mph lower than the rest. Was purely down to a pesky headwind.

And possibly ignore some folks average speeds given on here... 😀

They are massaged somewhat!

And possibly ignore some folks average speeds given on here... 😀

They are massaged somewhat!

23mph average???

Oops, One minor detail I might of missed out? 😳

There's no way I could ever achieve that. 😯 It's a closed circuit through and off training ride and I'm always hanging off the back trying to keep up. Have only once managed to hang on til the end. Like I said, no riding god!

Apologies for miss-information. 😳

Thought you ment 23 on open road training rides...

Yeh our local midweek crit practice normally av 25-28 depending on the wind. But thats only 60-70 mins.

Any pointers on upping my average speed other than ride more?

ride shorter distances flat out. a mile should do it and will make the maths easier to work out your MPH.

30miles isn't really a decent road ride, ride more and for longer distances and stop looking at your averages.
3x that distance with an average of 16mph is achievable with a bit of effort (i did it and i'm over the hill and a bit of a plodder)

Ignore the averages quoted by the various STW supermen no two riders or routes are the same the main thing is geting plenty of time on the bike, geting used to regularly churning out the miles.

to put it in context my commute is 20 miles each way flicking through my sportstracker logs I average out at about 15mph on the way in of a morning on fresh legs, but 17mph on the way home after a day at work. same route but in reverse, I put this down to the steeper hills being nice quick descents on the way back.

Average speeds mean nothing on their own.

keep up with your riding don't focus too much on the numbers for now... do the exact same route in a month or so to see if you have improved.

Agree totally with cookeaa

Waht ever you do tho do not jst keep riding same route over and over. Your body adapts to that distance quickly... Always mix it up a little..

Just give it death!

Thanks for all the encouragement, although back to the mud tomorrow for a short offroad loop. I'll look to get a bit more road riding in over the coming weeks, I have a 13/14 mile (each way) commute that I keep meaning to do more often so will using that as training.

Oh and BTW, it's not 13mph, it's 21kph

http://www.velominati.com/blog/the-rules/#24

I can't see what is so unbelievable about 23mph average. A close friend of mine does a bit of time trialling and while he's way faster than me he admits to not being the fastest in his club by a long way. His 10 mile PB is about 21 minutes and on his first ever 50 mile TT he managed it in 1hr 59mins. Roadie fitness levels are way beyond what most MTB riders call "fit", it's just unreal!
Personally on my road bike my fastest was my commute to work - 17 miles from huddersfield to Leeds in 59mins. And I am 15.5st and 5'7"!!!!

Double post

That's a time trial though, not really comparable to an open road ride. And either way a 21 minute ten is far quicker than your 'average' roadie would manage. I've trained a number of times with a former Cervelo Test Team rider (rode the TdF) and we'd do about 18mph on a hilly 50 miles. 23mph is very fast, and as explained was achieved in 'race conditions'.

Oh and BTW, it's not 13mph, it's 21kph

Ignore all the Velominati tripe Druid, this is Englandshire anything that sounds Italian and isn't is in itself a bit ***ky and therefore all those rules are void.
Plus Sean Kelly broke nearly all of those 😉

Just ride more, enjoy it, improve bit by bit, and wait till you can do at least an Imperial century before worrying about speed 🙂

Edit: By which I don't mean to be patronising, just that there's not much point only doing 50km and worrying about speed unless you just want to do TT or track or simply want to be at your desk very early in the morning. All of which is fine, but you'd be missing out most of the best bits of road riding IMO...

100 miles at 13 mph would be a very big ride. I wouldn't do 100 mile training rides unless I could average ~17 mph.

therefore all those rules are void.

I dunno, whenever I look down them I think most are right!

Metric distances/speeds are daft though!

It's also not just the amount of metres climbed as an indication of the routes hillyness of the ride. For example yesterday I did a 110km loop from Bristol to Frome and although there were not long hills above 220m it was all up and down with no flat a no restbite. 1500m of climbing all in with, 950m in the out leg hence the average speed of a disappointing 14mph. Where as a few weeks ago I did a ride over the bridge in Wales that had similar distance and climbing but the climbs were longer and shallower with a few long flat sections so my average speed was 16.8mph. A whole 2.8mph faster for a ride of same distance and height gain!
Don't compare yourself to other people stats or even your own over different terrain, instead measure your improvement against previous times on the same loop.

http://connect.garmin.com/explore?owner=garmin-cervelo

Tour gps from Garmin-Cervelo team

http://connect.garmin.com/activity/102425942
That one is crazy

You realise it appears Tyler Farrar left his GPS running after he got in the team bus?

The stage finished in Montpellier. Looking at where the data goes daft it was 120 miles in 4:33, so still nearly 27mph, but bear in mind that's a flat stage in a group of 180 riders.

[url= http://www.cyclingtimetrials.org.uk/Home/tabid/36/itemid/2634/Default.aspx ]Real men ride for hours and hours and hours and hours and hours and hours.[/url] 12 hour TT at an average of 22.95mph. 😯

22.95? That would've got 12th?

Name Club 50 100 12hr MPH
1 Joel Wainman Team Swift 1:41:36 3:40:09 275.44 [b]26.578 [/b]

By my reckoning 275.44/12 gives 22.95.
An average of [b]26.578[/b] over 12 hours would give a total distance of 318.963 miles which would be quite spectacular.

Pah DS that is nothing real men average over 20 mph for 500 miles in 24 hours
LEJOG in less than 2 days before getting a little tired and slowing meaning only an 18 mph average for the 1000 miles
Goggle Gethin Butler
24 Hours - 509.3 Miles
Lands End/John o Groats - 1 Day 20 hrs 4min 19 sec
1000 Miles - 2 days 7 hrs 53 mins 7 sec

Pah! That's nothing Junky, apparently he used an MTBer (on a 6" full susser and body armour) as a pace man, said pace man did the whole LEJOG in 2 days 7 hrs 20 mins dead. The huge level of embarrassment caused to Gethin means it's not widely reported.

509.3 miles pfft

Amazing what the thought of cake at the end of the ride will do

I take your 509 miles and raise you [url= http://anotherdooratthe.endoftheinternet.org/2011/06/30/andy-wilkinson-541-miles-in-a-24-hour-tt/ ]32 miles to 541 miles[/url]in 24 hours!!

Junkyard
Pah DS that is nothing real men average over 20 mph for 500 miles in 24 hours
LEJOG in less than 2 days before getting a little tired and slowing meaning only an 18 mph average for the 1000 miles
Goggle Gethin Butler
24 Hours - 509.3 Miles
Lands End/John o Groats - 1 Day 20 hrs 4min 19 sec
1000 Miles - 2 days 7 hrs 53 mins 7 sec

You missed out Wilko's stunning ride on the ESCA / National 24 hour event in June: [url= http://cyclingtimetrials.org.uk/Default.aspx?&ge482__geka=zDDQ-6ZV33MzjqeBwbmQrz_ANSkB_T7qN_S6WibhjZTI8y2wcGnNyDpN-nRZsqK4idQdyW1Qu4MTYoaMOlWkwY_bhr0kshbDJMZ3YTfqzSEdjsp2adQVNCW53DUzxlO_Nb-b2kkVSKuQM0qX3gVAgAim47nUqSlPZIdEUx910Q8&ge482__gevi=bkosVTEcmXX5ekdECVvBmA&gv484__gvff0=56363&gv484__gvfl0=0&gv676__gvac=2&language=en-GB&tabid=109 ]541.17 miles in 24 hours[/url]!!!!!!!!! 😯

Those of us involved in the event didn't reckon anyone would go much over 480 miles due to the 'rolling' nature of the course.

Anyhoo, back to the topic. Don't fret about average speeds until you've built up a history of rides. I reckon that within a month of regular road riding you'll see that average noticeably increase.

However don't do the same route day in day out as you'll just train yourself for one distance.

Whoever you are there will always be somebody quicker so don't worry.

I remember my first road ride was a 50 miler from Nottingham to Sheffield and I think I averaged around 12mph 😆 Having said that I did have hairy legs 😉

on my last road ride we rode some great descents, and long climbs, and stopped for coffee and cake*, it was ace.
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i'm sorry, what was the question?

Whoever you are there will always be somebody quicker so don't worry.

🙂

Especially on STW.

We did the Etape Caledonia back in May. I thought we absolutely flew round the course - and wasn't far off a broken man at the end of it.

Average Moving Speed? 18 mph 🙄

I was disappointed.

Exactly, like I said earlier. Yesterday we were flying at over 30mph on some sections...through and off and only did 46 miles.
Average speed at the end 17.9. No big hills either but loads of those short sharp wall like climbs, the ones you think you can attack and get over, but a quick glance at your computer and it says you're doing 7mph which is quickly followed by that buckling feeling in your legs.

Always important to remember that the slower bits affect your average speed rather more than the faster bits, because you spend longer doing them...

Yep, just ride a bit more, enjoy it, you'll get there.

Apropos of averages, doing hill reps I've been surprised how quickly the average settles down. Long climb and steep fast descent and it soon settles to less than 1 mph variance. That was slightly dull wasn't it?

The BBAR is averaged over the various events ie 50 miles/ 100 miles/ 12hr not an average for a specific event. That's why the numbers don't seem to add up.
So Jeff Jones average 30.3 for a 50, 27.4 for a 100 and 25.4 for a 12 hour.

[quote> http://connect.garmin.com/explore?owner=garmin-cervelo

Tour gps from Garmin-Cervelo team

http://connect.garmin.com/activity/102425942
That one is crazy

top job for posting that - mucho interesting - useful to get courses to follow for upcoming hols (obviously at a slower pace!)