[Closed] 11 speed, thoughts and hubs.

Shimano 11sp cassettes are good with any shimano MTB freehub including a PRO 2 of any flavour. 11sp road is different as is SRAM 11sp.

Had 10sp 11-40 & 11-42 both are good, the range is good but.... Just gone 10-42 and I can't see why not. Runs smoothly don't notice the gaps. Liking it and not in the mood for limiting the range. The xd driver is a one off buy as any new hub worth buying will have it as an out the box option.
There is a chart that explains it up sram gives you 2 gears less than 2x shimano is 3 or 4. The gx kit is also lighter than xt.

I can't see why not

i used to run sram on my geared bikes, and was very happy, but 'new freehub' meant at least a new rear wheel for me. i'm out. xt in.

can't see hope making a sram compatible freehub for pro2 any time soon.

Eh? They've done one since XX1 first came out... Most decent hubs can be converted. It is a cost, so it depends a bit if you already have the hub certainly. If starting from scratch as Mike said it's probably cost neutral.

I've been looking at this too - what ratio's are people running?
I was looking at a 30T chainring with a 10-42 cassette

Another North of England resident here.
I was loathed to part with 2x10 but glad I did now.
1x10 on the hardtail now running 30t N/W and 42t extender gives almost as low a gear as 2x10 did.

1x11 on the new full sus is SRAM 30t N/W and 10-42. It climbs Lakes/Calderdale big hills all day just fine.

Whats people's thoughts on benefit of 11 speed shimano compared to 10 speed Praxis cassette?
Shimano is 411g, and would cost approx £190
Praxis is 322g, and would cost £90

I'm not convinced the extra gear is worth it? In a time where I'm trying to save as much weight as I can within reason/cost, gaining nearly 100g puts me off.

Anyone tried the Praxis and M8000 stuff?

what ratio's are people running?
I was looking at a 30T chainring with a 10-42 cassette

32t with 10-42 on a 29er here. Comparatively fit rider, wouldn't change myself.

What about topping out? I'm pretty sure I can ride anything round here on 32-40 with a bit of gusto applied (maybe a bit harder 3 hours in, but thats a rare treat these days), but I often ride longish flats / slight downhills that I [i]feel[/i] like I need the big ring (38) ..

can't see hope making a sram compatible freehub for pro2 any time soon.

Eh? They've done one since XX1 first came out... Most decent hubs can be converted

I've got a pretty old 26" bike with Hope Pro2 hubs, am I right in thinking the new XT 1X11 stuff is all standard fitting and will work fine? I had been running a 2X9 set up but a lot of components have worn out and are due an upgrade, going to 1X11 is quite appealing.

I've got a pretty old 26" bike with Hope Pro2 hubs, am I right in thinking the new XT 1X11 stuff is all standard fitting and will work fine?

Yes, you are right

are the pro2 evo and pro2 freehubs compatible parts? didn't know that... fair play to hope if so.

You need to upgrade to an Evo, but that's very doable, and I'd expect the majority of folk to have done it already.

Brassneck - no issues with spinning out, the 10 is good for 27-28mph without mad spinning. Much above 30 just get aero!

1x11 Shimano isn't much different to 1x10 but if you're not already invested in 1x10 stuff it probably makes more sense than expander rings, radcages etc. I think for me it'll be a stepping stone just to spread the cost, before I go proper wide range 1x11 with Shimano shifting and SRAM cassette.

Del - Member

are the pro2 evo and pro2 freehubs compatible parts? didn't know that... fair play to hope if so.

They're not directly compatible but the hub shells are- so you can swap the entire Evo internals into a Pro 2. A good idea anyway with most modern bikes tbh, to make them reliable with 12mm axles.

I've been running Sram X1 1x11 since Feb and wouldnt change anything about it. 32 up front with a 10-42 cassette. No signs of much wear yet with quite a few wet muddy rides.

I cant see the point in upgrading from Shimano 1x10 to Shimano 1x11. Srams 10-42 gives a much better range.

Having gone from 1 by 10 with an expander to shimano 1 by 11 XT, its much better. for both cases 34t front (27.5 wheels), 11-42 rear.

The gear ratios seem a lot nicer, i really notice the difference between having a 37t rather than a 36t before the 42.

So I could use a shimano 11speed xt m8000 cassette with a xt M8000 rear mech on a hope pro hub but would not get much more of a range over a 10 speed with expander?

I cant see the point in upgrading from Shimano 1x10 to Shimano 1x11. Srams 10-42 gives a much better range.

and Shimano's mechs are not quite so extortionately priced as SRAM's.
I'll be swapping out the SRAM X01 mech and shifter for XT when the inevitable happens and the mech is toast.
SRAM cassette with XT shifter/mech would seam to be the best of both worlds.

vondally - Member

So I could use a shimano 11speed xt m8000 cassette with a xt M8000 rear mech on a hope pro hub but would not get much more of a range over a 10 speed with expander?

The range isn't any different but the shifting (I found) was much crisper and the gaps between gears less and more uniform. From a race perspective I think it will be very useful as I used to find the 36-42 gap a bit of a jolt. In an ideal world I'd man up and go 11-40 for even tighter gaps.

For me, shifting's basically identical- I guess this depends on your choice of parts and how well you set it up. My 10-speed has a nicer feel but that's quite a personal taste thing (10 speed saint ftw)

But ranges, yep, that could definitely make a difference for some folks, depending on your personal preference. And also, I think, on the bike? I don't notice it on 2 of my bikes but the 3rd, I use the lower gears more and the range isn't quite spot on.

You need to upgrade to an Evo, but that's very doable, and I'd expect the majority of folk to have done it already.

They're not directly compatible but the hub shells are- so you can swap the entire Evo internals into a Pro 2. A good idea anyway with most modern bikes tbh, to make them reliable with 12mm axles.

Expensive tho, bearing kit, axle, freehub, about £120.

pfft! 😆

STATO - Member

Expensive tho, bearing kit, axle, freehub, about £120.

Aye but bear in mind you'd be buying the freehub anyway to do the conversion. So the extra expense is the axle and endcaps, and some bearings which are consumables. And you can probably recoup some costs. It's not so bad- and not that much different to doing it with an Evo.

Or, you can buy an entire Evo hub for £125, swap parts out of that into the old shell and vice versa , and sell the oldnew pro 2 hub you now have for probably about £60

It's not throwaway money but it's pretty doable.

Northwind - Member

For me, shifting's basically identical- I guess this depends on your choice of parts and how well you set it up. My 10-speed has a nicer feel but that's quite a personal taste thing (10 speed saint ftw)

Actually I did go from SRAM (knackered X5 shifter, X9 mech) to xtr shifter and xt mech so probably the better shifter and the sram to shimano swap accounts for the approved shifting as much as anything.

I've got 11 speeds (have has 10-42 and 11-42) and also a praxis 11-40 10 speed. All are good in their own way and all shift well

Have a look on sheldon Browns gear chart to see the differences.

If you would need a new free hub to use a SRAM 10-42 anyway, then another option would be Shimano 11sp with expander (11-45) on your existing free hub.