[Closed] 100% Dangerous Idiots

they do same on lead mine clough he * has a point we are trespassing ubut that is dangerous
* must be a bloke
Am Heading home that way via moors so will be vigalant but nt a vigalantee cheers for heads up OP

flippingheckler - merely observing that conflict begets conflict and I have heard MTbers on here stating that they have behaved in (what appear to me to be)an antisocial fashion - perhaps in reaction the the walkers but "blasting past them" and that sort of thing. Complaining that walkers interrupted their fast descent. Not abuse but being less that courteous. This may be because they have run out of politeness having been abused by walkers in the past but in hardens attitudes

Once an air of confrontation develops then it is hard to stop it.

Those arguing for the scottish system remember that it is a qualified right to roam we have - not absolute. It is qualified by the need to be reasonable and this includes giving way to walkers and sharing the paths. You have an absolute right to ride a bridleway in england. Some of the large groups that ride in honeypot areas with fragile ecology would not be reasonable [i]in my opinion[/i]

has a point we are trespassing ubut that is dangerous

bollocks.

so we can legally ride there then Dave?
I agree we should be able to but there is plenty up Rivvy we can ride legally without going onto Footpaths. Not that great a ride either IMHO - the descent dwon is fun though

Robdob has his point of view and puts this across well. If that makes him a cock it is true of many people on here.

rivi is shyte anyway.................... 😉

Actually your right, he did have a point. Several of them poking out of a plank.

[quoteSome of the large groups that ride in honeypot areas with fragile ecology would not be reasonable in my opinion

The same can be said of walkers IMO! Thanks for your insight on the Scottish right to roam, if ever I'm roaming in Scotland I must pay due diligence, if I see a Tandem I can presume the route has been qualified.

Actually your right, he did have a point. Several of them poking out of a plank.

so we can legally ride there then Dave?
I agree we should be able to but there is plenty up Rivvy we can ride legally without going onto Footpaths. Not that great a ride either IMHO - the descent dwon is fun though

I seem to remember from last years STW ride over to Darwen Tower junkyard(Loweys Ride) that we went on quite a few FPs and you did not complain once 😉

I say please, thank you, lovely day, etc etc to almost every walker I pass. It helps I am sure.

Very rare - I have had one on the nail trail.

TJ, wasn't the owner of the cottage at the entry was it? I had a chat with her a few months back, although it was all very amicable. She asked me not to ride the Nail Trail as it was getting cut up and was pretty wet. She reminded me (as you mention above) that right to roam must be reasonable usage. Given that the Pentlands were a bit soggy at the time, I explained that on this occsaion, if she thought the trail was damp, I would head off home a different way.

LOL at Robdob. Oh to live in a country who's public access isn't based on some archaic rules....oh hang on....I do!

flippinheckler - Member

The same can be said of walkers IMO! Thanks for your insight on the Scottish right to roam, if ever I'm roaming in Scotland I must pay due diligence, if I see a Tandem I can presume the route has been qualified.

Indeed 🙂 Its all about being reasonable and respecting all others - even argumentative gits on tandems.

Pixelmix - no - a very shouty man walking along the road. A real numpty shouting that it was illegal to ride as it was a footpath.

Well it certainly seems that judging by the responses people don't want to follow any rules that don't suit them. As long as what YOU are doing is right in YOUR mind then I suppose it's ok. Why is following the rules so bad?

Because they are retarded?

You have an absolute right to ride a bridleway in england

Not true, Cycles have a permissive right to use bridleways on condition that they give way to pedestrians and horses, that being as a result of cycles being expressly permitted under law only as an afterthought once the original regulations were brought in

Surely you can just say the land owner gave you permision to cycle on the footpath.

scu98rkr - Member
Surely you can just say the land owner gave you permision to cycle on the footpath.

Ha. A bit off topic, but that reminds me of pheasant shooting that used to go on at the local hill back in the UK. Some ****ing do-gooder decided to walk up to one of the guns and ranted on about they weren't allowed to do that sort of thing on the hill, do which the guy replied "I own the hill...". Shut the whiney ****er up....

I'm taking offence to the title. Surely its only own 80% dangerous idiots? I mean if the transgressor laid a Lion trap or put a load of dirty old knickers at the bottom of a hole with razzle mags covering it then you'd be approaching 90%?

100. Shut up Mark and take your medication, there's a good boy.

[i]Ladies and Gentlemen, today we learnt a very important lesson about respecting others rights of way. As you understand you wouldnt be happy about those dirty mx'ers riding on your buff singletrack so why do the same to others?
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On a more serious note. I wonder if the people who planned and laid those stones would be happy to know that cyclists also use this path (thats probably having to be repaired more frequently than planned as well). Ontop of this because of the cyclist use of said-footpath a nutjob starts laying dangerous items around it which can affect pedestrians enjoyment of the path through no fault of their own.

OP. You have balls for posting up that you use a footpath probably in a delicated location (drainage etc)- and I bet some cyclists stray off those stones causing ruts. Personally I wouldn't have highlighted ones own use is attracting other anti-social behaviour to a walkers path.

Mind boggles, cyclists sometimes really do think they own the right of way anywhere they chose.

I'd love to hear a walkers forum perspective on this. What next? Young men on bikes intimidating middleaged walkers?

Class. Nice one.

jesus who said something about this forum being full of cocks? Hora has just proved that point.

I'm not interested in your opinion fella.

I thought he was just presenting the walkers perspective 🙂

If there's a path on the ground, I'll not have too many qualms about riding it. Some areas are a bit grey, such as a BW down to a local river that then conveniently turns into a FP as it goes through someones garden. Riding that one till I get told off 😉

I'd agree with TJ that conflict leads to conflict, and it does pay to be polite. But if someone's going to get arsey with the ONLY justification for their wrath being that I'm riding a designated FP, I'm not interested in their ranting. The only 2 times this has happened, I've been on a BW anyway...

Is this really much more of an issue in the North, or just in the National Parks? Not seen too much of that kind of attitude down south, with the caveat that I don't bother with the New Forest as it's a bit shite.

The walkers around here - Northwest, tend to be on the jolly ' live and let live' side of things. However we do get the odd 'tourists' in the Peak District at high season that believe mtbers should even be on Bridle ways.

I often get shouted at - 'oooh you really are brave riding that' comments if I'm on my own.

hora you ride rivvy an dyou ride the san marino descent which is a designated footpath wih no legal way of getting there on a bike either.

lowey - Member
Actually your right, he did have a point. Several of them poking out of a plank

It is a hard issue as it is an area where there is a conflict between two groups walkers and mtbers. There is no easy solution like israel eh we both think it is our right to be there. Only ever had a couple of problems up there and usuually non locla walking groups who dont know of the conscionarry bridleways.

I'd love to hear a walkers forum perspective on this.

You have heard one. Mine. I've walked that path as a rambler since my dad 1st took me over back in the early 70's. I still walk it with the hound to this day as I also walk all over Rivi and its environs.

And as a rambler, I couldn't give a ****. Live and let live.

You have heard one. Mine. I've walked that path as a rambler since my dad 1st took me over back in the early 70's. I still walk it with the hound to this day as I also walk all over Rivi and its environs.

Okay, so thats [i]one[/i] opinion. Can we hear a few more? 😐

Walker here too, live and let live.

Okay, so thats one opinion. Can we hear a few more

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and it's Daves land so his word is final.

I walk it with my young kids and I assure you the main - in fact the sole danger to then - is mtbers and I have even been there and had soeone set off down the steps at the side of the garden = by the lake/pond/cesspit as i walked up holding a 3 year old by one hand and a 4 year old by the other Where he expected us to go I dont know. I shouted stop and went to push him over. He did stop but looked annoyed with me.
Neither MTBers nor walkers are saints but the thing I have to teach my kids to be aware of when walking Rivvy is the clattering sound of a mtb or the free wheel of a Hope pub.

we have a similar problem at our local wood tyn y coed someone puts logs and boulders accross the trail often at the bottom of some very steep decents.someone will have a serious accident one day.
report it to the police so they can monitor it.
as for dna its £600 a hit so the police wont pay for it unless someone gets hurt.

the thing I have to teach my kids to be aware of when walking Rivvy is the clattering sound of a mtb or the free wheel of a Hope pub. (sic)

I walk it with my young kids and I assure you the main - in fact the sole danger to then - is mtbers and I have even been there and had soeone set off down the steps at the side of the garden = by the lake/pond/cesspit as i walked up holding a 3 year old by one hand and a 4 year old by the other Where he expected us to go I dont know. I shouted stop and went to push him over. He did stop but looked annoyed with me.

You'd best be packing in mtb'ing there then matey. Practice what you preach and all that. 😛

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On a more serious note. I wonder if the people who planned and laid those stones would be happy to know that cyclists also use this path

Hora, you really are a cock. Those trails were built a hundred years ago for cart horses pulling carts full of stones from the quarries, if there'd been bikes around then the builders wouldn't have turned an eyelid. Bikes will NOT cause any more damage to those stones than walkers.

Ride sensibly - don't cause damage and be polite to people. It's not that hard , is it?

I was talking to one of the trail builders on healey nab the other week and he told me that they are hoping to get spittler's edge finished if you will i.e block paved all the way to the road, and then get the right of way changed so cyclist and horserider's can legally use it.

Some more thing's going on here: http://www.idighealeynab.com/charter/

Btw That piece of wood in the original pic has been there for years, it got me a few year's ago 4 ****ing hole's in an inner tube bastid. I did move it away from the path and embed it nails down in the ground but it look's like lowey's nutter mate has been back and set it back in it's original place.

Practice what you preach and all that

No.

Anyway. Its all MY land so clear off.

I actually recall a time when one MTB caused me to crash and then carried on the descent without even noticing the clumsy b@stard should he stop?
IIRC hhe has history with injured mates on that section
Any way I shall desecrate your land with my road bike and the singlespped anytime I wish

I've not read all the responses but I regularly ride that path and I've come across that mad ****ers stone walls before across it. That is a completely higher level of craziness. The guy is completely mental and almost certainly the same chap who managed to spear a runner in tockholes a few years back with a similar device.

Shesh,thank goodness for RTR up here,I walk as much as I MTB and there is very little conflict that I have seen,some knobs on both sides tbh.Unless we see TJ of course,then everybody flings poo 😀

Hora, you really are a cock. Those trails were built a hundred years ago for cart horses pulling carts full of stones from the quarries, if there'd been bikes around then the builders wouldn't have turned an eyelid. Bikes will NOT cause any more damage to those stones than walkers.

Ride sensibly - don't cause damage and be polite to people. It's not that hard , is it?

You could have saved time and just typed 'your right though hora'. 😉

Anyway, I'm off up Rivi tonight 😀

Anyway, I'm off up Rivi tonight

make sure you don';t ride San Remo though, it's a footpath after all 🙄

I like San Remo however I also like the gully? Hmmmmm

Theres only one way to find out...
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As long as what YOU are doing is right in YOUR mind

Anyway, I'm off up Rivi tonight

oh please god noooooooooooo!

Sorry dude. Loweys already issued the guest access rider permit. 8)

Well it certainly seems that judging by the responses people don't want to follow any rules that don't suit them. As long as what YOU are doing is right in YOUR mind then I suppose it's ok. Why is following the rules so bad?

There [i]isn't[/i] a rule that says it's illegal to ride on a public footpath.

A public footpath protects the access rights of one group of users, but does not exclude any another group.

Sad to see this; it's a grossly inappropriate action to a perceived wrong. I think that the footpaths question is an interesting one though, and it's always worth bearing in mind how footpaths evolved. They weren't, by and large, 'gifted' by philanthropist landowners or created by some consensual social process. They were just routes that people used to get from the farm to the chapel, the river, the mines, the market town or whatever. Historically, much of their use was legally problematic; the drovers roads were largely created as a result of drovers avoiding the lowland tolls and the apalling boggy roads that were created through the Welsh Marches during the cattle droves.

In a sense, much of our rich heritage of paths, bridleways, BOATs, RUPPs etc, is down to a mixture of some pioneering 'chancers' and a lot of other people over the years seeing the route as a sensible option. So it always seems to me that when someone takes up an extreme position on this issue, that they're sort of missing the point, if they ever even understood it in the first place.
That's not to say ride where you like, but always be polite, although that simple code will often serve well enough. I think that footpaths in sensitive conservation areas, or areas of high 'traffic' are always liable to be more contentious for a number of reasons, not the least of which is the attitude of the users. There are people who see 'the rules' as being more important than the actuality of any situation; let that be there problem and by being selective and thoughtful about where, when and how you ride, try to avoid it becoming yours.

As ever, I think that the answer to this requires a bit of sensitivity and common sense, but as Voltaire once said, common sense isn't actually that common.

I think that footpaths in sensitive conservation areas, or areas of high 'traffic' are always liable to be more contentious for a number of reasons, not the least of which is the attitude of the users.

Ride on a footpath well away from a car park and you'll very rarely/never get any grief from walkers. Ride near a car park and you will. The walkers out in the middle of nowhere understand why you're there.

Having said that, I think the type of rider you get near to car parks will also be very different to the type of rider you get in the middle of nowhere...

miketually so how does that work in the Peaks then?

miketually so how does that work in the Peaks then?

I've only been to the Peak once, so I've no idea. Just based on my observations and other stuff that I've read.

whatever your views of riding on footpaths what if a kid stepped/fell on it

tossers

hora - Member

miketually so how does that work in the Peaks then?

the people who go walking in the peaks are either friendly (if you go far enough) or unfriendly (if you stay near the car parks)

if you meet unfriendly people in the peaks, they tend to be the type of person who would complain anyway

whatever your views of riding on footpaths what if a kid stepped/fell on it

tossers

I don't think anyone was implying that. Calm down.

the people who go walking in the peaks are either friendly (if you go far enough) or unfriendly (if you stay near the car parks)

Sounds like the people in the Peak are the same as people in the Lakes, Dales, etc.

@Hora - I read that as the tosser being the person who put down the nailed planks. Do keep up, old chap

@mike - yes essentially, we do get a few more townies who claim to "country people" but really mean "I want to escape the town and the countryside should be preserved as I want it"

Well it certainly seems that judging by the responses people don't want to follow any rules that don't suit them. As long as what YOU are doing is right in YOUR mind then I suppose it's ok. Why is following the rules so bad?

First know your rules. And in this case the rule is that, in the absence of a right of way, you are liable to the landowner for any damage you cause. If there's a right of way, the local authority takes on the liability for damage to the path itself. I think it's only case law that a bicycle isn't a 'reasonable accompaniment' to a person where the right of way does not extend to horses etc. But in general, people only conform to rules where it suits them, particularly if they can get away with it

Because they are retarded?

there may in fact be other reasons...

I need hardly add that the land in question belongs to United Utilities, so whoever is placing the mantraps is suffering from Munchausen's landlord by proxy syndrome.

Ban over then Si?. :p

(Note to self; be careful around SFB, hes done 'bird).

The guy leaving man traps is an idiot for sure.

The bigger debate is interesting - no one originally defined a route as bridleway or path to secure walkers safety from bikes or anything like it. At the time biking wasn't even a thought. It was pretty arbitrary, and we all know of footpaths that should be bridleways.

We share bridleways, on the understanding we show consideration for other users which is fair enough.

It's stoopid we can't use footpaths, so long as if we do so we show same consideration as on bridleways. These laws need challenging, how come Scotland did it?

But doesn't matter whether we ride bridleways or footpaths, if we are perceived to be shredding at high speed especially in large numbers in areas heavily used by other trail users, this will be used to illustrate a trend of turning public rights of way into race tracks, putting other users at risk and causing erosion etc. Doesn't matter what the facts are, the perceptions will be enough to damage our cause.

If we want to do this sort of riding, we need to choose our times and locations carefully, avoiding other trail users like good little boys and girls, or we might see biking pushed into trail centres and time bans like on Snowdon.

Maybe it's time to organise and challenge access rights properly?

It's stoopid we can't use footpaths, so long as if we do so we show same consideration as on bridleways. These laws need challenging, how come Scotland did it?

There never was a separation between footpaths / bridleways / RUPPs, BOATS in Scotland. Its just a path.

Ban over then Si?. :p

so it seems, and sooner than I'd thought 🙂

What did you do this time sfb?

What did you do this time sfb?

apparently, my enquiries into the [url= http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/on-the-front-page-bye-bye-bert/page/2 ]beliefs of animals and their admission to heaven[/url] were deemed disrespectful...

YGM not risking it on forum

YGM not risking it on forum

the unwritten rule: "Don't piss off the staff" ?

MilitantGraham - Member
I've been riding the footpath along the River Severn near where I live for almost that long. How do I go about getting it upgraded to a Bridleway ?