Would You Give In To An E-Bike – Or Resist?

Would You Give In To An E-Bike – Or Resist?

To E-Bike or not to E-bike, that is the question? That’s the question that Gary from Dorset is having to consider as one by one his local riding group has bought them to ride.

“You should try it …..”

‘Join us, see how much fun we’re having!’

“You know you want to …..”

“Everybody’s doing it …..”

“Go on, you’ll luv it …..”

Part of the script from Trainspotting? Nope, it’s the peer pressure, which I am sure quite a few mountain bikers are currently feeling, to go down the rabbit hole that is the e-bike trail. 

Now I have absolutely nothing against e-bikes, my wife has had one for over six years and because of knee problems wouldn’t be able to cycle pain free without one. However I am now feeling the pressure to “join the club”, not because I need one, but rather because riding with some of my MTB mates is becoming increasingly difficult without one. 

For the last 15 years or so I have been riding on Wednesday evenings with a group of local mates, sometimes there are just a couple of us sometimes on rare occasions five or six governed by the usual dependencies of weather and who’s around. These are spring and summer rides from when the clocks spring forward until they fall back, riding in the darkness isn’t really our thing unless it’s on the way home from the pub. We do around 20-25 miles finish at a local hostelry and have a beer or two before going our separate ways into the night. We do plenty of other rides as well, but Wednesday’s are always a bit special, blokes, bikes, beer and bullshit. It’s a chance to catch up, chew the fat and, most of the time have a damn good laugh with the benefit of a large dose of exercise to counter balance the beer and crisp intake. 

Over the last two or three years the rides have become much less frequent, this is for a variety of reasons, mainly around some of the guys travelling more and not being available and we aren’t getting any younger, we are all 60+, and an evening ride after a day at work (for the non-retired members of the group) isn’t always what you want to do. However 2020 may prove to be a watershed moment for these rides and the main reason (I think) is e-bikes.  

With the easing of ‘lock down’ rules we have been able to go out on Wednesday evening rides as a group again, but things have changed since last autumn’s evening excursions. Three members of the group are now exclusively riding e-bikes when mountain biking. So on the last two rides I have found myself on the sole acoustic bike amongst the purring motors of “my friends electric” (for younger readers that’s a Tubeway Army reference, google it, a good track and worth a listen).  

So is this a problem? 

Well sometimes yes. On the flat if they use sensible boost modes I can keep up. On downhills, especially off road and on the gnarly descents, I think I am faster on my lighter more nimble Stumpjumper. I gauged this by the fact that whenever I was behind one of them I was applying the brakes, catching them up or felt I could have gone much faster. The problem clearly is when we came to uphills; there is no way to keep up when they are able to go at twice my best speed without trying too hard. If I am foolish enough to try and keep up (FYI, you can’t!) or minimise their wait at the top I will be ‘ballbagged’ for the rest of the ride. My technique on hills has always been to set a pace that is right for me and don’t worry about anyone being quicker, there will always be someone slower (well most of the time!) and we usually take a breather and regroup at the top of the climb before moving on. Sometimes you get a long rest, sometimes you don’t. When riding with mates on e-bikes you will always be last, always get the minimum rest, always miss the banter at the top of climb and start to feel that you are holding up the group.

Ed, Ian and Chris discuss volts and amps

On the two rides we have been out on so far it hasn’t been a massive problem; the hills haven’t been too long and it’s been great fun to ride with mates again after the lock down. There have though been issues with changes to the routes. Our Wednesday night rides aren’t that well organised, we pick a place to meet up and the route is usually made up as we go along. 

On our first ride together post lock down, with me having climbed from home for just under two miles up on to the South Dorset Ridgeway, the e-bikers suggested dropping back down (twice!) as we headed west each time returning back to the top before heading off into Weymouth to meet the WAG’s. After Weymouth I would have to climb back up and over the Ridgeway again to get home (the other guys live in the Weymouth area).  I did some quick mental arithmetic of time, distance, number of ascents and came to an instant conclusion…

“F*** that, if you want to do it please do, I will meet you at the end of the Ridgeway before we drop into Weymouth”

The response from the e-bikers was “Well that’s the beauty of e-bikes you see, hills don’t matter”.

And of course they were absolutely right. If this was a “day out” ride I would have done the suggested route and to hell with any time constraints, but it was an evening “social” ride, we had people to meet and I would be slowing them down by a considerable amount. So the extra descents were scrapped and I guess I kinda got the route that I wanted and avoided awkward “where are you now?” phone calls from my wife. 

Near the end of the second ride we came to a fork in the trail, left was (as I remembered it from previous rides) a short but very steep climb (front wheel leaving the track steep!) leading to an off road route home or we could go right which was a long shallow fast fun descent after which we would have to use a busy road to get to our final destination. Again I got my way and we avoided the steep climb, actually on the descent we looked back at the hill and I realised that I had misremembered the track and that we had been looking at the super steep side of the hill while on the side where the bridleway ran up it was an easy climb. In mitigation earlier that day I had ridden 6 miles each way over the ridgeway into Weymouth to play tennis for two and half hours and my tired legs were making the decisions not my brain.

E-bikes. Coming for you whether you like them or not…

While only a small sample size in terms of rides both examples illustrate some of the problems of riding alongside e-bikers, for the average rider it can be extremely difficult. Now I am sure that there are some skinny slim hipped Whippets out there reading this saying ”not a problem for me mate”, but believe me, at some point it will be. It might be age,  fading fitness or getting fed up with arriving at the top of a climb in a sweaty mess while your e-bike buddies look like they have just showered and changed into a fresh set of clothes or maybe you just want an easy life (ride) for a change. The point will come when you reach the conclusion that if you can’t beat ‘em you have to join ‘em or you find a different set of mates to ride with. While I know it’s not quite that black and white, on some rides it will be fine, but on others it won’t and if the latter becomes the norm then what do you do?

From a personal point of view I am now feeling pressure, not from my mates, to join the e-bike club. These are guys that I have been riding with for nearly 25 years and have known some of them much longer than that and I want to keep riding with them. So what do I do?

Spending £2-3k on a decent e-bike (I would probably go hardtail not a full susser) seems a lot for what would be for me a “social ride” bike, I luv my Stumpjumper and when appropriate that would still be my go to ride. There is also the question of fitness. A great side benefit of mountain biking for me is building up my fitness and stamina for my other great sporting love, Squash and Racketball. There is no doubt in my mind that I won’t be as fit after riding an e-bike as when riding the Stumpy. A couple of folk have said “well you could turn down the boost and you then have to work harder”, but what is the point of that? Why have all that power and an engine and then not maximise the amount you use them?  

The money isn’t an issue I am retired and have sufficient funds to just go and get one if I want to, but it seems a very selfish thing to do given the financial issues many people are, and will be, suffering from following the CV19 pandemic. Or should I just say…

“Bugger it, I can’t help everyone else, I might go under the proverbial bus tomorrow, unlikely given that we only get one a day through our village! So get an e-bike, enjoy the time riding with my mates and just get out on the trails with whatever bike is best for the ride I am doing that day and whoever I happen to be riding with”. 

Getting one now would be difficult given the current supply chain issues, so maybe it’s a decision that I can wrestle with some more and put off until 2021. I do so like a bit of procrastination, at least I think I do!

Who cares what sort of bike you’re on on these berms, eh? Fun times!

Post Script:

I originally wrote this piece back in July, it’s now September and things have moved on. Lock down was eased a lot, but now looks like it may be back for a while longer and another friend I regularly ride with has got an e-bike. In Chris’s case the move to an e-MTB was a smart choice and I amongst others had been suggesting for a while that he should get one. He is a fit 70+, but has a medical condition that can affect his riding. In the last year or so he had increasingly found himself at the back of the group especially on climbs and felt he was slowing everyone down. Now riding a Specialized Levo he is more than able to ride with the group and has been christened “The Gatekeeper” as he is usually first to the gates we encounter on cross country rides.

Inevitably when we talk MTBs now the main topic of conversation is e-bikes, battery power, torque, software, chipping, engines, battery life, etc. The current hot topic is Shimano’s new EP8 motor. Vince, who rides with us occasionally and works in a premium LBS, says that over 90% of their bike sales now are e-bikes and they are definitely the future of mountain biking. 

This week a group of us headed to Swinley Bike Park (just off of the M3 in Berkshire), 11 in total with three e-bikes amongst the group. Chris with his Levo, Ed with a new 2021 Cannondale Neo (not sure how you get a 2021 bike in the middle of 2020, a question for the Editor maybe?) and Ian with a Turner 5 Spot that he has converted himself including building his own battery! Did having an e-bike make a difference at this particular trail centre? Well not too much I think, they were obviously faster up all the short climbs that we did and definitely much fresher (less sweaty!) at the end of the ride. On the singletrack, which was the bulk of the ride, their power advantage is negated by riding within the group with nowhere to overtake. On the steeper descents you really didn’t need the extra power unless you have balls of steel and the bike skills to handle going that much faster on a very heavy bike. But this wasn’t an e-bike test or an “e-bike vs acoustic” ride; it was just a bunch of like minded mates out for a ride and having a lot fun doing it. And that’s the point I think, it really doesn’t matter what bike you are sitting on as long as you are enjoying the experience and having fun. So I will finish this piece with a re-hash of an often used phrase, “No matter what bike your arse is sat on …… Just get out and ride!”            

Chipps Chippendale

Singletrackworld's Editor At Large

With 23 years as Editor of Singletrack World Magazine, Chipps is the longest-running mountain bike magazine editor in the world. He started in the bike trade in 1990 and became a full time mountain bike journalist at the start of 1994. Over the last 30 years as a bike writer and photographer, he has seen mountain bike culture flourish, strengthen and diversify and bike technology go from rigid steel frames to fully suspended carbon fibre (and sometimes back to rigid steel as well.)

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36 thoughts on “Would You Give In To An E-Bike – Or Resist?

  1. I’ve got a heart condition that has slowed me down on climbs, but I’d rather go out on my own than spend £4K+ on a eBike. It’s not the sport I started doing back in the 90s.
    I’ve demo’ed a few too and I know they are FUN. But it isn’t mountain biking. It’s eBiking. And if I get a motor to help me up climbs I’ll feel like the heart condition has “won”. Hard to explain, but I don’t want to be beaten by it.
    Plus they are such ugly things!

  2. For me, my ebike is a time machine. I can fit longer, bigger rides into the limited amount of time I have. My wee lad is 18 months old and takes up most of my free time. In the past year I’ve barely ridden more than an hour away from the house. Since he started nursery a couple of days a week I’ve got away a bit further. With the ebike I can get away somewhere once I’ve dropped him at nursery and fit in a decent ride and still be back for picking him up. On Friday I did that, drove to Glentress, drained the battery on a cracking ride and was back in time for his tea. I fitted in twice the riding in the same time and wasn’t a complete wreck the next day.

  3. I’m not looking to get an e-MTB – though I do have an electric cargo bike. But none of my riding pals has one either, so it would be a bit antisocial to get one, and I’d be hanging around at top of climbs on my own.
    Your situation is different, I’d say main point of group riding is social and fun, if that works best with an ebike in your group then go for it. As you say, no matter what bike…just ride.

  4. I got a knee injury and ended up having a knee replacement. The road back has been painful, Nothing worse than going on loops you know well, that used to be exhilarating but are now a war of attrition! So I got talking to the guy in my LBS and he mentioned how some customers had found them helpful in coming back from injury. I knew they were fun having got one for a staff scheme at work. I had tried some wide tyres on that one and taken it down some local flinty descents on the Downs which it handled. So I got the last one in the LBS just before lockdown and with the same standards as my mountain bike I was able to transfer most components ending up with a pretty capable off road ebike that can also do the weekly shopping! Not something I would have done on my P29er. For me the game changing thing is that it’s made me ride my other bikes more and more importantly made it fun again. I use it when the knee plays up, as the go to bike when it’s howling a gale, for hauling big loads and when I need a 30 minute blast.

  5. For me and a few others having read the comments the best thing about e-bikes is that they have allowed us to get back into mountain biking despite various ailments or injuries. My wife has one as well and we’ve had some great journeys all over the UK since we first tried them back in 2016.

    It’s pretty simple really if you want to ride an e-bike ride it don’t worry about it. If you want to stick with an analogue bike great just enjoy getting outdoors.

  6. It’s pretty simple really if you want to ride an e-bike ride it don’t worry about it. If you want to stick with an analogue bike great just enjoy getting outdoors.

  7. I thought E bikes were the Devils work and only ridden by lazy, unfit gits but I’m now changing my mind. At three score and seven I have had an MTB since the late 80’s but like Gary and many of the first MTB generation we are now finding the hills get harder, fitness falls away quicker and therefore why should I not access this technology and continue to enjoy being out in the hills? My neighbour (dodgy knees) has had one for a year or more and two days ago I finally succumbed to a 5 minute trial and it was all downhill from there! During the following day on a trip around the dark Peak all I could think of was – it would be easier on the uphills and I could do more distance – so my preconcieved perceptions have been undermined and I am now prepared to admit I am changing my mind! Yes I am concerned that more idiots will be out but its also the same for hill walking, mountaineering and climbing, there are dickheads everywhere, just look at the mountain rescue reports. Maybe we should concentrate on improving access, avoiding the honeypots and simply enjoying our sport. Oh, and I’m not getting rid of my full susser or hardtail – I just envisage using an E bike in specific situations. – you can’t have too many bikes!!!!

  8. I’m a relatively fit 33 year old, who is quite capable on a MTB. I ride with a bing bunch of people in the Fleet area, where sometimes we can have 30+ riders out (one time there was 50 of us out).

    Over the past couple of years, more and more of the guys have moved over from analogue to Ebikes. This resulted in a split in the group, with two separate Tuesday night rides going out at the same time. This initially made me a little sad that our close knit group was being torn apart. It wasn’t just Tuesday nights, but away days at the weekend, which were now being organised as ebike specific.

    I resisted for a while, not because I didn’t like ebikes, or that I was some sort of purist that thinks you need to earn your descents (see other commenters in this thread), It was all financial. However, I borrowed an ebike from a friend for the day and went on a proper ride. This was to include; steep climbs, jumps, drops, technical downhill etc. This gave me a proper feel of what these bikes could do.

    I was blown away! It was like I’d discovered mountain biking again. Jumping felt amazing, I could easily plow through rough rocky/rooty sections with confidence, and the uphills……. what uphills!? My smile could not have been bigger.

    Actions speak louder than words, and I can tell you that the very next week I put my very pricey, and very sexy Santa Cruz Nomad up for Sale and bought a Levo. I just didn’t care (well maybe a little, it was a very nice bike), I couldn’t remember the last time I’d had so much fun on a bike. It just energised me (was that a pun?), and made me fall in love with biking again. Why wait until you’re 60+ or have a medical condition to take the plunge? You’re missing out on having the time of your life now!

    I don’t regret buying an ebike in my 30’s, or the comments (a lot less now) I receive from jealous riders……… because I’m having considerably more fun than you!

  9. @gratis2010 – “because I’m having considerably more fun than you!” – Are you? Fun like most emotional responses is very personal thing, one persons fun can be another persons pain, e.g. sadists and masochists. Just because your ride is physically easier than mine doesn’t necessarily mean you are having more “fun”. I get a great buzz out of getting to the top of a climb (unaided) and that’s fun for me. We aren’t all the same.

    On another note ….. thanks for all the comments, some very polarised views, but a healthy debate is always good thing.

  10. Around here, it seems like every other bike I see is an e-bike and, to be honest, the temptation is there because now, on a social ride, I’ll be dragging my sorry ass around at the back, instead of being somewhere up near the front – mostly on a rigid singlespeed too. Yes, I know it’s not a race (been there, done that) but it does stick in my throat a bit when slower, less fit riders can cruise past me on some climb while I’m at the very limit of my capabilities.
    And yes, at 68 I’m old, and I don’t give a toss if someone can outride me (although plenty can’t) as long as it’s down to their own effort and fitness…
    I console myself with the fact that, as I’ve got older, I’ve taken pure speed and distance out of the equation and instead seek out more and more technical descending – both in the “grim north” and in Greece, this is the main reason that I now ride a couple of LV 301s.
    Can I afford £8000 for a CE 301 (or even £16000 for two)? – can I buggery, nor would it improve my riding one iota.
    So, I’m feeling a bit left out but, in an odd way, I don’t really care – at least with a “normal” 301 I can chuck it over fences, put it across my back and climb back up again for another attempt at a section – with the e-bike version, not a hope in hell…..

  11. I think each have a place, as a winter hack my ebike hard tail is fantastic fun and keeps fitness and skills up. Brilliant fun riding up technical stuff and doing short technical loops in my local woods. I’ve no doubt it’s making me a stronger rider on my normal bike and it’s given me more motivation to ride in the winter months. No downside that I can see…

  12. I’ll get one one day when the body is old. My worry is erosion and damage to the beautiful places we ride. Landowners, National Trust etc will get knackered by it and have evidence to prevent access, a heavy powered bike will dig a deeper rut, rut turns to little trickle, turns to stream. The inevitability of less places to ride because of ebikes is definitely a conversation worth having before it is forced on all MTBers

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