[Closed] Canyon grand canyon Al 29er...... is it just me or.....

I wouldn't pay the extra.

yeah, thats what i was thinking. I do / will have the cash for the 9.9sl but i can just spend the £550 on the parts i'd like, i'm not that fussed but i'd rather have shimano over SRAM for the gearing and formular over avid for the brakes any way. (i'm sure i'd change the seat post, saddle, bar & stem eventually no matter what they are).

Its just the question of forks really - i know that the fox's will be super plush and a great ride, not sure about DT Swiss. Its the one thing that i wont be able to afford to change if they are crappy.

Nice I want no sorry need!

can i have the torque wrench?

Their top spec bikes are not as good value as their mid-range* ones on any of the models.

*Their mid-range bikes are specced liek most manufacturers' top models.

can i have the torque wrench

the 'torque wrench' is dreadful. Mine snapped tightening the stem face plate to the recommended tightness!

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Don't worry about the forks. I've had Fox + RS Revs but much prefer the DT's I've now got to either of the 'big 2'. DT's are superb IMO.

I think i'll be going with the 8.9 (and upgrade/change a few bits along the way) now, xx or xtr chainset mmmmmmm.

as for the torque wrench - it'll be up for sale on the forum (when it arrives in a month or so) as i have a proper one already.

I'm confused why you would save money buying the cheaper one and then spend the money you saved upgrading it.

Either just buy the cheaper one and keep the money or buy the expensive one and don't bother messing around, surely there is a few other bits that a higher spec and it won't be cost effective to upgrade.

Is the latter one really fitted with a Deore cassette? Seems a bit odd.

i'm guessing its an Xt cassette - prob a mis print on the web site.

even if i bought the more expensive one i'd change the saddle, but its the SRAM stuff that put me off.

If you don't like the SRAM spec surely your question is answered. TBH though can you argue with the top nuts one for £1850? Looks ace to me. Shame about delivery time.

I love that little beam wrench, how cool is that? I don't care if it breaks 🙂

I reckon the decision here comes down largely to how strongly you dislike DT Swiss forks.

Anyone know if the carbon version is available yet?

I reckon the decision here comes down largely to how strongly you dislike DT Swiss forks.

its not that i dislike them, i just have no experiance with them (unless you count owning a pair of RC36's...). I've heard that they are not particulary plush and servicing can be a pain...

Anyone know if the carbon version is available yet?

I've ordered an 8.9, the only doubt I have is about the fork but if I would have ordered the 9.9 for the Fox fork I would have had a groupset and brakes I didn't want / consider to be worse than those on the 8.9.

Anyone know how these size up? I'm 6ft5, 35" inside leg and its recommending a large not an XL on their fit calculator. Shome mishtake Shirley?

[i]top of the range 9.9sl is only 1lb lighter[/i]

[i]Only[/i]?? (its 1.5lbs actually)

How did they manage to get a hardtail specced like that to weigh 30lbs anyway? (Or are 29ers supposed to be heavy?)

Anyone know how these size up? I'm 6ft5, 35" inside leg and its recommending a large not an XL on their fit calculator. Shome mishtake Shirley?

the fit calc is baised on all body dim's - may be you have freekishly short arms or legs... [s]i'd[/s] you'd better double check you aherm.. measurements....

Only?? (its 1.5lbs actually)

How did they manage to get a hardtail specced like that to weigh 30lbs anyway? (Or are 29ers supposed to be heavy?)

the 9.9sl is 10.9kg - 24.03lbs

the 8.9 is 11.2kg - 24.69lbs

the 'mid range' 9.9 is 11.3kg - 24.9lbs, heavier than the low end 8.9...
weights acording to the canyon website.

also just noticed that the pic of the 8.9 shows a qr version of the fork, where as the spec says its 15mm bolt through - so i've emailed canyon to confirm (also to confirm the weight..)

*The fork has no dropout so is "bolt through", but still QR 15mm (a la maxle light)

*I think

andyl46 - Member
Anyone know how these size up? I'm 6ft5, 35" inside leg and its recommending a large not an XL on their fit calculator. Shome mishtake Shirley?
Sounds like a mistake as I am 6'3" with a 35" inside leg (measured not trouser size) and it told me XL.

*The fork has no dropout so is "bolt through", but still QR 15mm (a la maxle light)

*I think

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mmmmm, not convinced.....
could be though....

I see what you mean

I think it's just an ambiguous photo, actually this
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yeah - a bit of a google search and i came up with that. You beat me to it organdonor.

Interested because I ordered one a month ago 🙂

Eager to hear the confirmed weight...

TBH i've looked into it more now and the weights proberly about right as the DT swiss fork is .59lbs lighter than the fox so all that x0 and ritchey is saving approx 1lb which seems about right.
i just want Canyon to confirm it.

When you look at the specs and price both are really well priced.

In reality i doubt most would tell the difference between the two bikes.

Another 29er convert i see.

the 9.9sl is 10.9kg - 24.03lbs

the 8.9 is 11.2kg - 24.69lbs

Ooh, yeah soz - I was looking at the wrong conversion (Troy lbs) 😳
I'll crawl back under me rock.
Nice looking bikes them is.

I'm confident that the weight is right, also that Canyon will be helpful.

Another 29er convert i see.

(Me) Not recently, I've still got (and still ride) my Gary Fisher Rig, which I bought in 2005. 🙂

I like wheels of all sizes...

I'm confident that the weight is right, also that Canyon will be helpful

i'm sure that they will, but maybe they should rename the 9.9SL the 9.9L.

It's just how they badge their higher end bikes, not a guarantee it's 'super light'.
Normally higher end bikes are a little lighter, as is this one.

I had an email back this am..

Many thanks for your e-mail.

The AL 8.9 is fitted with a 15mm bolt through front axle - this is an essential sepc requirement for a 29'er. And the weight of a Large framed bike will be 11.2kg. We do not have the weights for other sizes available.

Please do not hesitate to contact us if you have any further questions.

Sincerely,

Cullen Ward - Canyon UK

The AL 8.9 is fitted with a 15mm bolt through front axle - this is an essential sepc requirement for a 29'er.

Eh! Sounds strange. Essential implies that without it the bike will not function.

i think that they are saying that they believe that all 29ers should run a bolt through axel for stiffness - would also explain the specing of a 142x12mm rear axel.

I'd consider a DT fork an upgrade over a Fox. My mates 26" one is lovely. Very smooth.

I got a Canyon Lux with a DT XRM100 fork, is one of the best things about the bike. I test rode a bike with a RS World Cup Sid, all singing all dancing dual air blah blah.....the DT is at least as good and much easier to live with. Only complaint is the slightly fragile remote which I broke and have replaced with a conventional lockout.

Size wise I'm 6'3, online sizer told me I'm Large......I'm XL. Measure up your old bike, compare to geometry on the Canyon site, you wont go wrong. If you do just send it back, very easy.

....and I'd def get the 8.9....in white and blue. Very nice

Ended up ordering the 8.9 a couple of days ago (in black and white, i think i have a 'thing' for black/white bikes).

Also got a Fizik Kurve saddle - i would go for a Gobi, but a wore out 3 in two years on my last bike and ended up changing to a Brooks, but that somehow wouldnt look right on this bike. So i thought a Kurve would be the next best thing.

And

An XX chainset, bought for a bargain £180 (£10 cheaper than i could get an X0).

The original spec Selle Italia saddle and BB30 X7 chainset will be removed and sold straight away (Through the forum 1st then ebay), as will the torque wrench.

The weight (on paper) should go down to around 24lbs - so around the level of the top spec 9.9sl and its cost £300 less all in.

Now i'll be bikeless for approx 5/6 weeks which is already killing me!

Hense doing a bit of photoshop...
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So who's waiting for their Canyon 29er then?
I ordered a XL 8.9 and the order said it was week 10 (ie this week) in Germany and then will take a week to get here. My credit card has not be debited yet so I assume they haven't arrived yet.
I see medium ones are listed as in stock for immediate delivery on the Canyon site now.

Any feedback on these? I had my Scandal 29er nicked last week and the 8.9 would be a perfect replacement...
Many thanks
FTM

bump...anyone got any feedback?

I've had one for a couple of months now. Can't fault it. Fast, great components and cheap. The DT Swiss forks took a bit of bedding in, but they are soaking up the smaller stuff better now.

I'm getting some chain suck/dropped chain issues but I think that could be down to me clattering the rear-mech...

Another owner here, had it a month or two now. On the whole a positive experience save for the seatpost which I couldn't stop from slipping with the standard QR, on removal it seems I bent the post as well. Oops. I've replaced the QR with a MT Zoom bolt up collar and all is well. I've used it for short races, general forest trail rides and it had an outing at Mayhem this weekend, with CX tyres it would have done well without me riding it! I think my Spesh Camber will be up for sale soon.

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mines changed a little since its arival in April - new saddle (didnt get on with the kurve i orginaly replace the OE saddle with), grips, chainset (xo 42/22) - never managed to get the xx in the end, seatpost (although not had a 'proper' ride on the uppy downy thing yet). Most of the changes are nothing to do with the original spec, more personal preferance and wanting to try a dropper seatpost. But i did find the 32/22 chainset undergeared for the area i live in, the X0 is 42/28 which im finding much better and i've a 11/34 cassette to try as well.
As for how they ride - fast..... i used to just keep up with my mates, now i'm faster than all of them, knocked 2.5mins off my fastest lap at ashton court too. I'd highly recomend it - not sure if i'd go for the 8.9 i were to buy it again, as the 7.9 is amazing value.

oh and as for weights as discussed earlier in the thread the original spec medium came in a smidge under 25lbs (now about 1.5lbS more with the dropper post).

Keen for a dropper post on mine (after being Jedi'd) - let us know how you get on!

I also swapped out my saddle, added an XT cassette and went for some proper Schwalbes (non OEMs). Got some ESI grips on the way as well, plus a Shadow Plus mech.

plus a Shadow Plus mech.

I [i]think[/i] I've bent the cage on my existing mech - possibly the cause of my chain suck (pedalling backwards). I'm hoping this will fix.

Had any chain suck issues at all?

Oh and flipping and lowering the stem was a revelation handling-wise. I was getting a lot of front wheel wash-outs.

One more thing - the 29er replaced a Spesh Epic. Wouldn't go back to a short travel full suss in a hurry, but do miss a bit of bounce on rockier trails. That's probably down to me needing to pick better lines...

Had any chain suck issues at all?

flipping and lowering the stem was a revelation handling-wise

but do miss a bit of bounce on rockier trails

Keen for a dropper post on mine (after being Jedi'd) - let us know how you get on!

Overal great bike, though I have to return it back for the repair as there are some strange noices coming from the headset/fork. DT Swiss have some issues with this fork if you try to google around.

really? the only people i've seen that have problems have been on here (and have also bought a canyon).
any links to other issues?

Anyone upgraded the wheels? They are bolt throughs aren't they which could limit choice a bit?

Any news on the carbon 29er?

I think the carbon one is one in the autumn [url] http://twentynineinches.com/2012/06/10/canyon-presents-2013-cf-slx-carbon-hard-tail-29ers/ [\url]
Bolt thrus do not limit choice nowadays.

Still not happy with the DT Swiss fork on mine. I guess I shouldn't expect it to be as push as a 140mm Fox, probably needs a few more hours to bed in too. I've got a Reverb on min but isn't getting much use due to the state of the gorge trails in Bristol.

Is it just me or is there a canyon revolution going on. I never heard of them till a few months ago. I now have a strive and love it, the company seems ultra professional interested in promoting cycling sports of all sorts. Their R&d is first class and they have just started CT testing stressed parts. Seems a far cry from a run down greasy factory in Halifax lol

ooo the Carbon one is loverly (as expected)
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also if you ocasionally run a dropper post like i do the Ragley tripple guides which you can pick up from crc fit really nicely 😀

I've bought some superstar switch/crest at £220 they are a reasonably cheap & light way to get the bolt-through axles. I've found using fork juice aids the bedding in process. I have got a bit of a creak from the front some where....

After of 600-700 km of use my Canyon AL 8.9 developed loud click type of noise coming from the headset area. Tried to clean and regrease the headset with no change. I have at leaset one person around with exactly the same problem, so I'm not the only one. The guys plans to wait for Canyon feedback on my bike. The noise is present without the front wheel as well. No change, it clicks on horizontal and easy vertical movements.

I've sent a video to Canyon:

Canyon insisted on sending the bike to them asap. Bike sent. Waiting for their feedback and hopefully bike back in couple of weeks. The bike is awesome otherwise.

I shall watch this space, my strive after 150 off road miles has started a slight click around the head set area at the moment I just think its normal bedding in I only notice it on the climbs and there is no play

I've bought some superstar switch/crest at £220 they are a reasonably cheap & light way to get the bolt-through axles.

If you're going to "upgrade" the wheels, get the original hubs built onto some Stans rims with Double butted spokes. They're essentially DT 350S hubs, which share the same internals as the 240S just with a slightly heavier hub body. They're country miles ahead of the Superstar hubs!

OEM DT rims will probably be a bit soft though, nothing wrong with them til they die though to be fair, probably light enough at least.

That carbon one does look the Mutts nuts, that said, was seriously impressed with the ally 8.9 in the flesh too. Would buy one tomorrow if I could afford it!

Renaz - any news from canyon yet, I realised at the weekend mine does the same noise, just not as often as yours.

I've got the same noise. Doesn't sound too nasty so haven't really taken too much notice of it. Certainly would send my bike back to get it looked at, but will be interested to hear what Canyon say...

Actually, after watching your video, mine's more of a creak. No where near as loud as that.

Canyon got the bike today. Will keep you posted about the progress.

renaz - any update from Canyon yet?

Update from the Canyon. DT Swiss is replacing the fork and the new one will be installed on the bike which will be sent back soon. No more details on the fault.

ooooo. i may have to contact them then......
edit - email sent...

The bike is back with the new fork. It took 6 weeks exactly to get to send and get the bike back. 2 weeks more than Canyon forecasetd.

I'm still getting the creak. Not keen on 6 weeks without the bike though!

Hmmm. I'm the same, I've still got the creak (even after a full strip and rebuild of the headset, as suggested by Canyon) but I'm also doing bristol octoberfest in 4ish weeks. So I'll wait until mid October before contacting them again.